The Part This Season Should Play in the Pearl Situation

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StepCross said:
Sure, but exactly what will that penalty be? UConn's recently fired coach got a show-cause, and the penalty was that he couldn't make recruiting phone calls for two years.
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No, it was the UConn director of basketball operations who got the show-cause, and he resigned. Any school hiring him over the next two years will have to get approval for it and face the possibility of penalties.

I don't pretend to understand the ins and outs of NCAA rulery, but show-cause is repeatedly described as a de facto ban from coaching. The NCAA doesn't fire the coach, but it's not going to leave you the option of keeping the guy running your program same as before, either--or just staying off the phone. We can haggle over whether the show-cause actually equals the suspension, but I think it's six of one, half dozen of the other.
 
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JZVOL said:
I'll just save us the time and agree to disagree.
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It's semantics, which are probably pointless to argue about anyway.

But definitely the original point made by basketvols, that EVERYONE who wants to keep Pearl is putting him above the program, is insanely wrong.

Certainly it's possible for someone to put the program first and still think Pearl is the best option.
 
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#128
Assuming another coach can come right in and continue to make runs at the sweet 16 is as ignorant as saying BP is the only one that can.
 
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goodnight_vol said:
No, it was the UConn director of basketball operations who got the show-cause, and he resigned. Any school hiring him over the next two years will have to get approval for it and face the possibility of penalties.
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They don't have to get approval for it, and the penalty they'll face is what I just said: he can't make calls for two years.

Read the committee's findings, it's in there. Anyone who hires him has to (a) send him to annual compliance training, (b) not allow him to make phone calls, (c) submit monthly reports on his compliance...

...or (d) "show cause" why they can employ him without those restrictions.
 
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pl3 said:
Assuming another coach can come right in and continue to make runs at the sweet 16 is as ignorant as saying BP is the only one that can.
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Is this not just another way of saying Bruce Pearl's the only one that can go to Sweet 16's at Tennessee?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yeah, I don't know if it's that people think Pearl is the best coach for the program as much as it that they think he's the ONLY coach for the program. People seem to believe that the universe of basketball coaches is divided into three groups:

1. Elite coaches who would never consider coming to Tennessee
2. Wade Houston, Buzz Petersen, and other similar horrors
3. Bruce Pearl

If that's all you think there is, then yeah, I can see why you'd want to stick with Pearl no matter what. Happily it's not the case.
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If you assume that MH will make the next hire, his history has proven he will not go after an elite coach - so that eliminates #1. Now we're left with a roll of the dice to see if we land #2 or #3. Some folks would rather keep #3 rather than risk a #2.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Is this not just another way of saying Bruce Pearl's the only one that can go to Sweet 16's at Tennessee?
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I don't think so. It's saying a new coach with a new system might take a year or two to get rolling, and that there is no guarantees that a new coach will or won't equal or exceed Bruce's success.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
I don't think so. It's saying a new coach with a new system might take a year or two to get rolling, and that there is no guarantees that a new coach will or won't equal or exceed Bruce's success.
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It doesn't take two years to put in a system in basketball. If that roster stays relatively intact, the talent level is there to have successful teams.
 
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pl3 said:
Assuming another coach can come right in and continue to make runs at the sweet 16 is as ignorant as saying BP is the only one that can.
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If you hire the right guy, then absolutely he can. This is a program with a ton of upside now that Doug Dickey's out of the way. Given the facilities, the money, the proximity to Atlanta talent, and the general crappiness of the rest of the conference, there's no reason why a good coach shouldn't be able to come in here without missing much of a beat -- as soon as this awful roster is out of the way, of course.

The only question is whether you trust Hamilton to actually hire the right guy. And if you think Pearl's a great coach, why wouldn't you trust Hamilton to hire another basketball coach?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you hire the right guy, then absolutely he can. This is a program with a ton of upside now that Doug Dickey's out of the way. Given the facilities, the money, the proximity to Atlanta talent, and the general crappiness of the rest of the conference, there's no reason why a good coach shouldn't be able to come in here without missing much of a beat -- as soon as this awful roster is out of the way, of course.

The only question is whether you trust Hamilton to actually hire the right guy. And if you think Pearl's a great coach, why wouldn't you trust Hamilton to hire another basketball coach?
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You can, but no guarantees. However there is no guarantee Pearl will continue to do so either.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If you hire the right guy, then absolutely he can. This is a program with a ton of upside now that Doug Dickey's out of the way. Given the facilities, the money, the proximity to Atlanta talent, and the general crappiness of the rest of the conference, there's no reason why a good coach shouldn't be able to come in here without missing much of a beat -- as soon as this awful roster is out of the way, of course.

The only question is whether you trust Hamilton to actually hire the right guy. And if you think Pearl's a great coach, why wouldn't you trust Hamilton to hire another basketball coach?
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It's just my opinion that many who went through the lean years are gun shy. You can't assume anything. Sure, you could be absolutely correct, but I don't trust MH to find the right fit or trust that a potential right fit would come. You just don't know. BTW, I don't think BP is that great of a coach, but he has won a lot of games the last few years.
 
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LawVol13 said:
It doesn't take two years to put in a system in basketball. If that roster stays relatively intact, the talent level is there to have successful teams.
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It's possible, but it is also possible that UT won't hire the right guy, and that Hopson and Harris both leave to go pro. Also given some likely transfers of kids like Golden and McRae, there is a good chance that the roster is very depleted next year if Pearl is fired. This is all hypothetical though.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That's fine. I think most coaches would think a roster littered with 4 star players and a couple McDonald's All-Americans is one that they can compete with.
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I see a whole lot of athletes and very few basketball players. Pearl recruits as though he were going to field a decathlon team instead of a basketball team.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I see a whole lot of athletes and very few basketball players. Pearl recruits as though he were going to field a decathlon team instead of a basketball team.
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I see great athletes with potential to be excellent basketball players. I see no player development, however. I also see no offensive system that allows anyone to progress. If that's improved, you'll see our players improve.
 
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pl3 said:
Assuming another coach can come right in and continue to make runs at the sweet 16 is as ignorant as saying BP is the only one that can.
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Assuming one can't is equally ignorant.
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pl3 said:
It's just my opinion that many who went through the lean years are gun shy. You can't assume anything. Sure, you could be absolutely correct, but I don't trust MH to find the right fit or trust that a potential right fit would come. You just don't know. BTW, I don't think BP is that great of a coach, but he has won a lot of games the last few years.
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Of course they're gunshy. We had a whole series of basketball coaches who were hired by an AD who didn't give a crap about basketball, and it showed. I don't blame people for being gunshy.

But really, it shouldn't be that hard. You identify a really good coach at a mid-major program. You send him a video showing off our facilities, and you offer him a million and a half a year. There are 350 coaches in Division 1. A lot of them are good, and all of them like money.

All it takes is an AD who's willing to put in the time to figure out which ones to start with first. It should be a layup compared to hiring a football coach.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Assuming one can't is equally ignorant.
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We can argue till we are all blue in the face over whether or not a new coach can maintain/exceed BP's success. The thing is that none of us know because there is no way to tell what kind of coach UT would hire. We definitely haven't proven we will pay the big bucks to bring in a top notch coach. You also cannot guarantee an up and com-mer, like Pearl, will have BP's success. I just wish we could move past this argument. It is becoming pointless. I hope regardless of what UT does, we are able to maintain our level of recent success, or somewhere in the neighborhood.
 
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