The Part This Season Should Play in the Pearl Situation

#101
#101
goodnight_vol said:
Why, again, does anyone believe Pearl will receive less than a two-year show-cause penalty? Anyone?
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The show cause isn't the penalty. Just getting a two year show cause letter won't matter to Pearl or UT that much. Now if he gets a two year suspension on top of the show cause letter I can see UT terminating. One has to believe that UT doesn't believe he will get a 2 year suspension, otherwise I think he would already be gone.
 
#102
#102
Orange Blazer said:
Hubbs said that there were more people at UT that wanted Pearl gone back in September than there are now, but that the majority wanted to keep him then as well. Also said he has the support of the majority of the University.
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This is a meaningless statement. Who does he mean -- students? faculty? people in the UTAD? Jimmy Cheek? the BOT?

There are probably only about 20 people whose opinions about Pearl mean anything at all.
 
#103
#103
Vercingetorix said:
This is a meaningless statement. Who does he mean -- students? faculty? people in the UTAD? Jimmy Cheek? the BOT?

There are probably only about 20 people whose opinions about Pearl mean anything at all.
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Come on. It's obvious he isn't talking about students and faculty.
 
#104
#104
Orange Blazer said:
The show cause isn't the penalty. Just getting a two year show cause letter won't matter to Pearl or UT that much.
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The show-cause means he can't have anything to do with UT athletics or any other NCAA institution for two years. Unless I'm taking crazy pills, there's no "separate suspension."
 
#105
#105
goodnight_vol said:
The show-cause means he can't have anything to do with UT athletics or any other NCAA institution for two years. Unless I'm taking crazy pills, there's no "separate suspension."
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From what I gather, the show cause letter is stating that an institution wanting to hire pearl must show cause as to why he is the right man for the job. To miss coaching time there has to be a suspension on top of the show cause letter.
 
#108
#108
IMO doesn't matter who says they support him at this point... in many cases it's the kiss of death.
 
#109
#109
JZVOL said:
IMO doesn't matter who says they support him at this point... in many cases it's the kiss of death.
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I know people will argue that Pearl not having a contract yet proves they are going to fire him, but I still believe that if they were going to fire him they would have already.
 
#110
#110
Orange Blazer said:
I didn't copy and paste the whole statement by Hubbs, my bad. I thought that was a no no here.
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It probably is. It's just irritating sportswriter BS. The only people who have opinions about Pearl that matter are Joe DiPietro, members of the BOT, Mike Hamilton, Jimmy Cheek (maybe), and a handful of boosters. Regardless of what Hubbs says about Pearl's support at "the university."
 
#111
#111
Orange Blazer said:
I know people will argue that Pearl not having a contract yet proves they are going to fire him, but I still believe that if they were going to fire him they would have already.
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If I'm looking at him from Hamilton's POV, and I want to get rid of him, I ride him out this season and see if we can make a run in the weak SEC... granted this was before BP was suspended 8 games.

Best case, which to me is really worse case, is that you get rid of Pearl in Sept and have Tony Jones coach the entire season, no thanks. Plus it's not like Jones had nothing to do with all the mess anyway. To me if you get rid of Pearl the entire staff has to go because they were all caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

I can still get rid of Pearl the day after the final game and still save face with the NCAA all the while using the entire season to find a new coach.
 
#112
#112
Orange Blazer said:
I know people will argue that Pearl not having a contract yet proves they are going to fire him, but I still believe that if they were going to fire him they would have already.
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I don't. And I don't think Pearl not having a contract proves they're going to fire him. It proves that they haven't made up their mind and are keeping their options open.
 
#113
#113
A show-cause order is one that requires a member institution to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Committee on Infractions (or the Infractions Appeals Committee per Bylaw 19.2) why it should not be subject to a penalty (or additional penalty) for not taking appropriate disciplinary or corrective action against an institutional staff member or representative of the institutionÂ’s athletics interests identified by the committee as having been involved in a violation of NCAA regulations that has been found by the committee.

If Pearl gets a two-year show-cause, as 19 of 20 people charged with unethical conduct have been over the past two years, WE will be subject to a penalty for not firing him. It's not just about where he works after UT.
 
#114
#114
Vercingetorix said:
It probably is. It's just irritating sportswriter BS. The only people who have opinions about Pearl that matter are Joe DiPietro, members of the BOT, Mike Hamilton, Jimmy Cheek (maybe), and a handful of boosters. Regardless of what Hubbs says about Pearl's support at "the university."
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No doubt. He did say he spoke to a few people at the AD who say that Pearl will not be fired. Who know? I'm just tired of the constant speculation around here and on VQ. It has really ruined the vibe here. I am ready to find out the punishments and then move on.
 
#116
#116
goodnight_vol said:
A show-cause order is one that requires a member institution to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the Committee on Infractions (or the Infractions Appeals Committee per Bylaw 19.2) why it should not be subject to a penalty (or additional penalty) for not taking appropriate disciplinary or corrective action against an institutional staff member or representative of the institutionÂ’s athletics interests identified by the committee as having been involved in a violation of NCAA regulations that has been found by the committee.

If Pearl gets a two-year show-cause, as 19 of 20 people charged with unethical conduct have been over the past two years, WE will be subject to a penalty for not firing him. It's not just about where he works after UT.
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That is correct, but a suspension on top of the show cause will have to be handed down for him to miss coaching time. Also the show cause could be directed towards recruiting and he would not miss any coaching time that way as well. It all depends on what is in the letter. I don't believe we will get a harsher penalty if we don't fire him. That would defeat the purpose of waiting on the punishments to decide what to do with him. Do you think they will give UT an option A and option B? I don't know.
 
#117
#117
goodnight_vol said:
If Pearl gets a two-year show-cause, as 19 of 20 people charged with unethical conduct have been over the past two years, WE will be subject to a penalty for not firing him. It's not just about where he works after UT.
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Sure, but exactly what will that penalty be? UConn's recently fired coach got a show-cause, and the penalty was that he couldn't make recruiting phone calls for two years.

That doesn't mean he can't coach; it means if he coaches for you, then he can't make phone calls.
 
#118
#118
BasketvolsFan said:
It's really quite simple. If you consider Pearl more important than the program and all the damage his actions will create for the program, then you obviously want him to stay regardless. If you think the program is more important than Pearl or any other coach and you want to minimize the damage to the program as much as possible, you want him terminated.
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That's utterly false.

EVERYONE wants what's best for the program, they just disagree on exactly what that is.

Most people who want Pearl to stay believe that he is the best option for a UT basketball coach. That's not putting Pearl above the program, it's saying Pearl is the best coach for the program.
 
#119
#119
LawVol13 said:
It should have absolutely no impact on the decision-making process by the administration. Those of you that change your positions on whether Pearl should go or not on a game-to-game basis ought to realize what a fickle position that is. My position is that Pearl should be relieved of his duties, and it wouldn't matter if we were 29-0 right now.

The decision is simple, if you believe that Pearl's actions don't warrant firing, then regardless of the results of this season, he absolutely shouldn't be fired. He's earned another year through his results. However, if you believe that his actions do warrant firing, then your position shouldn't change based on a few wins. Go Vols!
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Good discussion topic, despite the fact that it degenerated again into an anti-vs-pro pearl fight.

I think I disagree with your main premise. I think there is a reasonable position that Pearl could have survived a bad season (as you pointed out), or Pearl could have survived a lie...but that he can't survive both.

What if someone thought that the lie was ALMOST worth firing him over, but not quite? What if that person was counting on a stocked roster to bring some positive press this year, when we can't fully recruit? What if that person now realizes we had a crap year, are facing serious roster problems next year, and possible Pearl suspension the NEXT year after that?

I think it is rational to say that the lie by itself wasn't enough, but the lie plus one bad season just makes it all not worth it.

That's not MY position, but I could see it as a hypothetical.
 
#120
#120
StepCross said:
That's utterly false.

EVERYONE wants what's best for the program, they just disagree on exactly what that is.

Most people who want Pearl to stay believe that he is the best option for a UT basketball coach. That's not putting Pearl above the program, it's saying Pearl is the best coach for the program.
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Can't speak for administration but that's not true for a lot of fans. Most fans think we can only win if we have Pearl, which places Pearl above the program. Countless people say day after day we'll go back to mediocrity without him.
 
#121
#121
JZVOL said:
Can't speak for administration but that's not true for a lot of fans. Most fans think we can only win if we have Pearl, which places Pearl above the program. Countless people say day after day we'll go back to mediocrity without him.
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But the focus is on their fear of mediocrity of the program. Saying Pearl is the best thing for the program is not the same as putting Pearl BEFORE the program.
 
#123
#123
Yeah, I don't know if it's that people think Pearl is the best coach for the program as much as it that they think he's the ONLY coach for the program. People seem to believe that the universe of basketball coaches is divided into three groups:

1. Elite coaches who would never consider coming to Tennessee
2. Wade Houston, Buzz Petersen, and other similar horrors
3. Bruce Pearl

If that's all you think there is, then yeah, I can see why you'd want to stick with Pearl no matter what. Happily it's not the case.
 
#124
#124
Vercingetorix said:
Yeah, I don't know if it's that people think Pearl is the best coach for the program as much as it that they think he's the ONLY coach for the program. People seem to believe that the universe of basketball coaches is divided into three groups:

1. Elite coaches who would never consider coming to Tennessee
2. Wade Houston, Buzz Petersen, and other similar horrors
3. Bruce Pearl

If that's all you think there is, then yeah, I can see why you'd want to stick with Pearl no matter what. Happily it's not the case.
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That's a perfect summary of the arguments here.
 
#125
#125
StepCross said:
That's utterly false.

EVERYONE wants what's best for the program, they just disagree on exactly what that is.

Most people who want Pearl to stay believe that he is the best option for a UT basketball coach. That's not putting Pearl above the program, it's saying Pearl is the best coach for the program.
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I think there a some fans who don't want whats best for the program. I think they would rather get there way and be able to rub it in people's faces who disagreed with them. However, I do agree that the majority of fans want what is best for UT basketball, and they just disagree on what that is.
 
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