The Perfect Sorm: Coming 2012

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#176
ranradVOL said:
Is Horford elite Hat?

I'm curious as to how you'll twist this one.
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No. There's no twisting necessary. He plays a position that is woefully thin in the East. He wouldn't sniff an All Star appearance if he played in the West.
 
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#178
hatvol96 said:
As far as rookies go, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings come to mind.
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I never said those guys were not elite. They obviously are. But so are Lawson & Collison.

Steph Curry also has the EXACT same stats as Evans in every category except points. Evans only scores 3 more a game.
 
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#181
hatvol96 said:
They will both be career backups.
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Funny you say that, announcers on the ORL v NO game were just talking about the Hornets trading Paul to fill some holes because Collison was going to be a really good gaurd in the league.

Not saying I agree, just thought it was funny.
 
#183
#183
ranradVOL said:
Funny you say that, announcers on the ORL v NO game were just talking about the Hornets trading Paul to fill some holes because Collison was going to be a really good gaurd in the league.

Not saying I agree, just thought it was funny.
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Plenty of guys look great in short runs of playing big minutes. Then, they get a full time starting gig and are exposed. Chris Childs and Keyon Dooling, to name two, got really rich by finding GMs who made that very mistake.
 
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#184
I guess everyone missed the BIG "IF". As for hat scotty is projected on many sites as a 1st round pick. I would love to see you 1st round mock for 2011. Ill pull it out and see how close you were.

Not saying that these sites are great, but it is VERY hard to predict HS players draft position before they get on campus.

Also glad there was no mention about 2012 in this whole thread.
 
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#185
beavbullvol said:
Is his potential so sky high? Really? I see a great divide between flashes of brilliance and true professional potential.
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I don't believe that your second sentence follows your first. He has shown flashes of brilliance and those flashes of brilliance are his potential.

What's the biggest problem with Hopson? It isn't that he can't shoot. It isn't that he can't slash and get to the rim. It's that he *can* do these things and he frustratingly chooses to do them on an infrequent basis. The fact that he doesn't take the ball to the hole more frequently is the most maddening aspect of his game because, when he does choose to take it to the hole, he does a very good job of it. And I don't think many people would disagree with that.

I don't know when -- if ever -- Scotty will shift his game into the next gear. The thing separating Scotty from the league, though, isn't his basketball skills, it's his on-court assertiveness. So I think it's incorrect to say that he doesn't have the potential.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Again, "elite" refers to someone with the ability to become a cornerstone of a franchise. These are guys like John Wall, Kevin Durant, Carmello Anthony, etc. These type of guys never see their senior years.

I'm sure there are some juniors and seniors with good NBA potential, but very rarely anymore will they be "elite" as Hat and I are referring to.
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By this definition, there is only an elite college player about every two years, if that. This makes it a silly definition.

Also, fun game for anyone interested: first to locate and link to a post by LawVol13 that couldn't simply be replaced with the word "co-sign" wins. Go.
 
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kidbourbon said:
By this definition, there is only an elite college player about every two years, if that. This makes it a silly definition.

Also, fun game for anyone interested: first to locate and link to a post by LawVol13 that couldn't simply be replaced with the word "co-sign" wins. Go.
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Thanks for getting into the debate about a week late and making a weak attempt at an insult.

First, you're wrong. Every year that the one and done rule has been in, there have been one or two "elite talents." This year, John Wall and Cousins both. Last year, Tyreke Evans. The previous year, Michael Beasley. The previous year, Kevin Durant and Greg Oden. So, if you think Scotty Reynolds is on the level of those guys, that tells me about all I need to know about your knowledge of basketball.

Fun game for anyone interested: find a post of kidbourbon's that actually contains an amount of substance that takes more than 30 seconds to tear to shreds. Go.
 
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#189
LawVol13 said:
So, if you think Scotty Reynolds is on the level of those guys, that tells me about all I need to know about your knowledge of basketball.
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When did I say this, smart guy?

Your are funny. Not only do you mirror another poster in substance, but you've actually taken it a step further and started to use actual sentences from another poster. Way to go.
 
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LawVol13 said:
This year, John Wall and Cousins both. Last year, Tyreke Evans. The previous year, Michael Beasley. The previous year, Kevin Durant and Greg Oden.
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1. Michael Beasley and Greg Oden will never be the cornerstone of a franchise. So obviously that isn't your definition. Actually, it appears that your definition of elite is satisfied by going to espn.com's draft page and naming the top two guys listed in any given year. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what you're doing. You are truly a trailblazer.

2. Putting aside the question of how you arrived at this list, the list is still way too under-inclusive to qualify as anything other than abjectly dumb. Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson aren't elite college basketball players? Ty Lawson wasn't an elite college basketball player?
 
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#192
LawVol13 said:
So, if you think Scotty Reynolds is on the level of those guys, that tells me about all I need to know about your knowledge of basketball.
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This sentence structure looks strikingly familiar. Oh yes, I think I saw it yesterday.

If you think Tyler Hansbrough was better than Ty Lawson, that's all I need to know about you.
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Merely a coincidence I'm sure.
 
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#193
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kidbourbon said:
This sentence structure looks strikingly familiar. Oh yes, I think I saw it yesterday.



Merely a coincidence I'm sure.
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You're right; it most definitely was a coincidence. First, I have never seen that post if Hat actually wrote that. You also haven't exposed anything other than your inability to actually contribute anything meaningful in a debate.
 
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kidbourbon said:
1. Michael Beasley and Greg Oden will never be the cornerstone of a franchise. So obviously that isn't your definition. Actually, it appears that your definition of elite is satisfied by going to espn.com's draft page and naming the top two guys listed in any given year. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what you're doing. You are truly a trailblazer.

2. Putting aside the question of how you arrived at this list, the list is still way too under-inclusive to qualify as anything other than abjectly dumb. Evan Turner and Wesley Johnson aren't elite college basketball players? Ty Lawson wasn't an elite college basketball player?
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Beasley has all-star capabilities. Greg Oden could be a cornerstone but appears likely that he won't be able to stay healthy.

The point of the discussion, which you were notably absent in, was that elite players usually go pro before their junior year. There is a difference in a Kevin Durant and a Ty Lawson. Lawson has a chance to be really good, but he definitely does not have the same potential as Durant. It's not close.
 
#195
#195
kidbourbon said:
When did I say this, smart guy?

Your are funny. Not only do you mirror another poster in substance, but you've actually taken it a step further and started to use actual sentences from another poster. Way to go.
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I assumed that's what you were referring to because that was the subject of the debate that you didn't participate in.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I assumed that's what you were referring to because that was the subject of the debate that you didn't participate in.
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So you assumed that my thoughts would simply mirror that of another poster's? Funny why you would think that.
 
#197
#197
kidbourbon said:
So you assumed that my thoughts would simply mirror that of another poster's? Funny why you would think that.
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No, I assumed that you were referring to what every poster that engaged in the debate was referring to. They were all referring to Scotty Reynolds' potential as a pro. Nice try at an insult. Again, you obviously haven't followed anything that I've posted on here.
 
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#198
LawVol13 said:
You're right; it most definitely was a coincidence. First, I have never seen that post if Hat actually wrote that. You also haven't exposed anything other than your inability to actually contribute anything meaningful in a debate.
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Nice try, Axion Jaxion, but signing on to the opinions of somebody else isn't a contribution.
 
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#199
kidbourbon said:
Nice try, Axion Jaxion, but signing on to the opinions of somebody else isn't a contribution.
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Not that I have to justify myself to you, but you can note that in this very thread I said that Deron Williams is an elite pg and top 3 in the league. Hat says he's not elite. That's truly shocking.
 
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LawVol13 said:
No, I assumed that you were referring to what every poster that engaged in the debate was referring to. They were all referring to Scotty Reynolds' potential as a pro. Nice try at an insult. Again, you obviously haven't followed anything that I've posted on here.
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And your assumption was dumb, Axion. Again, not everybody logs on to this site for the sole purpose of co-signing another poster.

My thoughts on Scotty Reynolds from a couple weeks ago: http://www.volnation.com/forum/around-ncaa/96064-teams-can-win-ncaa-championship-3.html#post3350876
 
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