The Perfect Sorm: Coming 2012

#127
#127
ranradVOL said:
Huh? Please don't tell me you're talking armageddon lol.
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I'm talking about the Zombie Revolution and the time of my life! (Yours too if you are prepared).

If the Zombie Revolution started while you were at a basketball game, what would you do?

I'd use my seat bottom as a weapon (I sit up top, so no cushion = better weapon)
:hi:
 
#128
#128
ranradVOL said:
Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic. Hat said elite players don't see their JR year of college. Williams played at Illinois as a JR.
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Ding Ding!! Winner!

"Elite" players can stay in college for as long as they want. Deron Williams was grew into a beast in college and is an All-Star and USA Gold Medal winner.

Boozer isn't bad either.

Guess my sarcasm was bad earlier, guys..sorry about that.
 
#129
#129
hatvol96 said:
I'm sick of hearing about his potential. He's almost completed two seasons and has done nothing of note. He is what he's going to be. Elite talents don't see their junior year in college.
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How about Brandon Roy? It doesn't happen often, but occasionally it takes someone a few seasons to really shine.
 
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#131
ranrad-I completely agree with you on your assesment of them being a credible site. How they generate revenue really has nothing to do with the credibility of the content. Doesn't pretty much every website generate revenue via ads? Even when you posted proof that it was a credible site they tried to manipulate things to try to make themselves sound right.
 
#132
#132
Diceman said:
ranrad-I completely agree with you on your assesment of them being a credible site. How they generate revenue really has nothing to do with the credibility of the content. Doesn't pretty much every website generate revenue via ads? Even when you posted proof that it was a credible site they tried to manipulate things to try to make themselves sound right.
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If you could read, you would see we didn't manipulate anything. The fact is, that these sites don't effectively prognosticate a prospect's draft stock 2 or 3 years before he comes out. If you can find anything to refute that, post it up here.
 
#133
#133
That wasn't the dispute. You and hat attacked the credibility of the site. ranrad then defended the site with sources, and you two still refused admit you were incorrect. I never said anything about the sites ability to project 2 or 3 years in advance, nor am I trying to argue that. If you're going to talk to me about reading comprehension you should at least address what I'm talking about and not something else. This is where the manipulation comes in.
 
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#134
Not only that but you base your entire argument of them not being credible on their belief that Tyler Smith was a 1st round PROSPECT. Apparently you don't understand what that means. Do you really believe that if before a college season starts a site tabs someone as a 1st round prospect, and they don't pan out, that the people running the site are idiots? This happens all the time.
 
#135
#135
Diceman said:
That wasn't the dispute. You and hat attacked the credibility of the site. ranrad then defended the site with sources, and you two still refused admit you were incorrect. I never said anything about the sites ability to project 2 or 3 years in advance, nor am I trying to argue that. If you're going to talk to me about reading comprehension you should at least address what I'm talking about and not something else. This is where the manipulation comes in.
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The entire point of the debate was ranrad posting that this bunch had Hopson as a first rounder. The entire debate was about the sites' ability to project 2 or 3 years in advance. So, again, reading comprehension is still very much an issue for you.
 
#136
#136
Diceman said:
Not only that but you base your entire argument of them not being credible on their belief that Tyler Smith was a 1st round PROSPECT. Apparently you don't understand what that means. Do you really believe that if before a college season starts a site tabs someone as a 1st round prospect, and they don't pan out, that the people running the site are idiots? This happens all the time.
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And again, that was exactly the point that Hat and I were making. The fact that this happens all the time points to the fact that they aren't good at prognosticating 2 or 3 years out.

Thanks for making my point for me.
 
#137
#137
They simply aren't reliable.[/QUOTE]

ranrad then disputed this with sources, and again, you refused to give him or the site any credit. This is what I'm speaking on. You get it now?
 
#138
#138
Diceman said:
They simply aren't reliable.
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ranrad then disputed this with sources, and again, you refused to give him or the site any credit. This is what I'm speaking on. You get it now?[/QUOTE]

I have only contended that they aren't reliable predicting a prospect's potential draft status like Hopson. I think that is evident through their projection that Smith was a first rounder.

I agree with Hat and say that it's much easier to predict a draft once everyone has declared and you know exactly what players will be coming out. Hell, we could probably concoct a list on here, and it would be close to what they have.
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You get it now?
 
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#140
LawVol13 said:
And again, that was exactly the point that Hat and I were making. The fact that this happens all the time points to the fact that they aren't good at prognosticating 2 or 3 years out.

Thanks for making my point for me.
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Oh, so you're saying that no site or person in the world has any credibility when it comes to projecting talent. That's different. You made it sound like there were reliable sources out there, and this site wasn't one of them. Since every person and every site is wrong on these projections every year, I can only assume you think they're all "idiots".
 
#141
#141
hatvol96 said:
Scottie Reynolds is no more an elite talent than Dee Brown was. He'll be nothing but an NBA journeyman, if he's lucky. Next.
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Being in the NBA automatically makes someone elite. Being in the top 1% of your profession is elite. Next.
 
#142
#142
GATechVOL said:
Ding Ding!! Winner!

"Elite" players can stay in college for as long as they want. Deron Williams was grew into a beast in college and is an All-Star and USA Gold Medal winner.

Boozer isn't bad either.

Guess my sarcasm was bad earlier, guys..sorry about that.
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1. How long ago were those guys drafted? Hell, why not bring up the fact Patrick Ewing and Tim Duncan played four years in college?
2. If they are both elite, why haven't they won a damn thing playing together? There's a reason Boozer is always on the reading block.
 
#143
#143
Diceman said:
Oh, so you're saying that no site or person in the world has any credibility when it comes to projecting talent. That's different. You made it sound like their were reliable sources out there, and this site wasn't one of them. Since every person and every site is wrong on these projections every year, I can only assume you think they're all "idiots".
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We have already debated this ad nauseam. But again, I am saying that these NBA mock draft sites simply are not reliable in projecting players' potential draft status. Yes, there are people that can do this; they're called NBA Scouts.
 
#145
#145
Diceman said:
Being in the NBA automatically makes someone elite. Being in the top 1% of your profession is elite. Next.
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Pathetic point. Someone that is elite is a cornerstone of a franchise not an NBA journeyman. Do you consider Renaldo Balkman elite?
 
#146
#146
ranradVOL said:
NBA GM's make horrible choices every year. Hell, Danilo Gallinari was a 6th overall pick.
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Danny G is one of the Knicks better players, although that's not saying much. His trade value is pretty high, not that the Knicks are shopping him... Dude is almost 7 feet and has a great looking shot from 3. There were much worse choices than him. Look at Thabeet. Going to the D league halfway thru his rookie year? That was a bad pick, esp with the surest thing (Tyreke Evans) in the draft already comfy in Memphis.
 
#147
#147
LawVol13 said:
Pathetic point. Someone that is elite is a cornerstone of a franchise not an NBA journeyman. Do you consider Renaldo Balkman elite?
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How dare you insinuate Doug Roth, Kornel David, Chuck Nevitt, Paul Shirley, and Darko Milicic aren't elite?
 
#148
#148
All this said, Matt Bonner, Renaldo Balkman and Hasheem Thabeet were way better players as sophmores than Scotty is now.
Next year UT gets its first truly 'elite' talent since Allan Houston. Tobias is a stud.
 
#149
#149
LawVol13 said:
Pathetic point. Someone that is elite is a cornerstone of a franchise not an NBA journeyman. Do you consider Renaldo Balkman elite?[/QUOTE

How is it a pathetic point? Is someone who is in the top 1% of what they do not elite? Any rational person can look at the top 1% of professionals in any given field and see that they are the elite. Am I to assume that basketball is just the exception?
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#150
#150
hatvol96 said:
How dare you insinuate Doug Roth, Kornel David, Chuck Nevitt, Paul Shirley, and Darko Milicic aren't elite?
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I enjoyed this guy's arrogance in making this little declaration as well. It makes you look really smart to make a completely ridiculous argument and then go, "Next". As if you just annihilated someone.
 
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