The Problems with Trans-ideology

[85SugarVol]

That would then make that person eligible for disability....and not working. Would voluntarily disabling yourself disqualify them from ssdi?

Yes.

I used to have this discussion with @allvol123
Intentionally disabling yourself should not entitle one to disability benefits imo.

 

[85SugarVol]

I am 100% behind treating people with respect. If they want to be called he or she, or her or him, I'll be respectful and call them whatever they prefer. But I don't agree with the idea that we're not just calling them a boy or girl l, but that they actually ARE a boy or girl. A person's preference does not shape reality. So if you ask me to truthfully report what gender a transgender man is I will say female.

I can respect, and believe, that a transgender man can find greater happiness living his life as a man.

I will even respect his pronoun choices and use his preferred name if I know it.

But if he asked me if I believed he was actually male, I would be completely honest with him - and tell him no.

 

[McDad]

I am 100% behind treating people with respect. If they want to be called he or she, or her or him, I'll be respectful and call them whatever they prefer. But I don't agree with the idea that we're not just calling them a boy or girl l, but that they actually ARE a boy or girl. A person's preference does not shape reality. So if you ask me to truthfully report what gender a transgender man is I will say female.

Same.
I'll call you whatever you want. People change their name and how they like to be addressed for a variety of reasons.
All I ask is that they give me some grace. I was raised to say yes/no maam/sir. And I cannot break that habit. So if you appear male but want to be called female, I am going to slip.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[whodeycin85]

Where do our trans activists stand on this guy?

50-year-old trans swimmer shared locker room while competing against teens: ‘The girls were terrified’

Irate parents were forced to build a makeshift tent out of towels to shield their teenage daughters from a 50-year-old transgender woman who was sharing a locker room with the young girls at a swim…

nypost.com

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Determining that trans is a mental illness is a perfect statement on the hated in society that some have of trans.

BREAKING: Lakewood Church Shooter Identified as Transgender Immigrant from El Salvador | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Authorities have identified the shooter as Genesse Ivonne Moreno, a 36-year-old transgender immigrant from El Salvador, according to multiple independent sources speaking to KHOU 11 Jeremy Rogalski.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Yes as most here know its a well known mental disorder known as gender dysphoria.

Facts be damned though!! Don't want to hurt anyones feelings. Better to let them shoot up schools and let the leftist degenerates in the MSM and government try and force the delusions of the very, very few on 330 million Americans and the rest of the world if they can.

Posted this at 12:02 yesterday. Couple hours later another mass shooting by a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman....

There's no problem with trans except the one that you have created in your mind driven by your hate of them.

^^^^ and this Muppets response to the Spanish language service getting shot up at a church by another mentally ill man in drag was " close the border".

wow.

 

[TheDirector]

BREAKING: Lakewood Church Shooter Identified as Transgender Immigrant from El Salvador | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

Authorities have identified the shooter as Genesse Ivonne Moreno, a 36-year-old transgender immigrant from El Salvador, according to multiple independent sources speaking to KHOU 11 Jeremy Rogalski.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

How many Trans people have to commit mass shootings before everyone is willing to admit that it's a mental illness? Also why is the identity, manifesto and other info always delayed when Trans people commit mass shootings. Why the special treatment if they are "perfectly normal" human beings?

 

[TheDirector]

Determining that trans is a mental illness is a perfect statement on the hated in society that some have of trans.

Denying someone has a mental illness is cruel to that person and could deter them from getting the help they need. It's also dangerous to everyone else.

 

[85SugarVol]

Where do our trans activists stand on this guy?

50-year-old trans swimmer shared locker room while competing against teens: ‘The girls were terrified’

Irate parents were forced to build a makeshift tent out of towels to shield their teenage daughters from a 50-year-old transgender woman who was sharing a locker room with the young girls at a swim…

nypost.com

There’s something new in this story.

Gender identity is nothing new.
Bathroom arguments is nothing new.

The something new - This individual identified (allegedly) as a 13 year old and entered a race for 12-14 year olds.

Individuals being allowed to identify as a different age could present some interesting scenarios.

If I identify as 65, will the US Government respect that and allow me to withdraw Social Security?
If my neighbor self identifies as 17, can he nail the 16 year old across the street?
Can someone identifying as 14 be tried and adjudicated in Juvenile Court as opposed to being tried as an Adult?

 

[CobbVol]

Denying someone has a mental illness is cruel to that person and could deter them from getting the help they need. It's also dangerous to everyone else.

Indeed. If a person believes they are a different gender then doing a mass shooting is an easy reach for them.

 

[Wireless1]

There’s something new in this story.

Gender identity is nothing new.
Bathroom arguments is nothing new.

The something new - This individual identified (allegedly) as a 13 year old and entered a race for 12-14 year olds.

Individuals being allowed to identify as a different age could present some interesting scenarios.

If I identify as 65, will the US Government respect that and allow me to withdraw Social Security?
If my neighbor self identifies as 17, can he nail the 16 year old across the street?
Can someone identifying as 14 be tried and adjudicated in Juvenile Court as opposed to being tried as an Adult?

Forget about 65....take that up to 70 and get the max payout.....

 

[Sea Ray]

There’s something new in this story.

Gender identity is nothing new.
Bathroom arguments is nothing new.

The something new - This individual identified (allegedly) as a 13 year old and entered a race for 12-14 year olds.

Individuals being allowed to identify as a different age could present some interesting scenarios.

If I identify as 65, will the US Government respect that and allow me to withdraw Social Security?
If my neighbor self identifies as 17, can he nail the 16 year old across the street?
Can someone identifying as 14 be tried and adjudicated in Juvenile Court as opposed to being tried as an Adult?

Where did you see that he/she identified as 13 yr old? The article states that this competition was not set up by age:

It noted that Swim Ontario “investigated concerns related to an adult competing against swimmers aged 12 – 14 during a recent competition hosted by the Richmond Hill Aquatic Club” and determined that “RHAC acted appropriately, in hosting the competition.”

The organization explained that athletes are seeded by entry time, regardless of their age,

 

[FLVOL_79]

Happiness is difficult to find in this life. I support anyone seeking it out in their own way, as long as they don’t harm others.

If you have Body Identity Dysphoria, feel you were born “wrong” with a functioning left leg, and would be happier and more fulfilled with it removed - I will support you.

If you are of legal age.
If you can source the procedure.
If you can pay for the procedure.

I’ll support your decision to remove your functional left leg.

I support it if they do it themselves..with an electric chainsaw from Harbor Freight..and live stream it.

 

[VolTull]

You're well aware that was not my question. The deflection to "transphobia" shows there's not an honest acknowledgment in the role existing mental issues play in many people who claim they are trans when they are not.

All-righty rainey!

 

[whodeycin85]

There’s something new in this story.

Gender identity is nothing new.
Bathroom arguments is nothing new.

The something new - This individual identified (allegedly) as a 13 year old and entered a race for 12-14 year olds.

Individuals being allowed to identify as a different age could present some interesting scenarios.

If I identify as 65, will the US Government respect that and allow me to withdraw Social Security?
If my neighbor self identifies as 17, can he nail the 16 year old across the street?
Can someone identifying as 14 be tried and adjudicated in Juvenile Court as opposed to being tried as an Adult?

100% correct..we are sliding fast down the non existent slope we were told didnt exist

 

[Vol737]

100% correct..we are sliding fast down the non existent slope we were told didnt exist

Eh, we're probably past the slippery slope. We're in the bone crushing gravitational pull of a black hole.

 

[volfanhill]

Same.
I'll call you whatever you want. People change their name and how they like to be addressed for a variety of reasons.
All I ask is that they give me some grace. I was raised to say yes/no maam/sir. And I cannot break that habit. So if you appear male but want to be called female, I am going to slip.

11 years ago I was interviewing for my current job. I kept saying yes/no maam to our VP of HR. She asked that I stop bc she didn't care to be called maam. Our EVP of ops was in the room too. He's from North Carolina. He chimed in and said "Theresa he can't just stop calling you maam. He spent his entire childhood with the threat of not getting dinner if he didn't call you maam." He was right too.

 

[whodeycin85]

Eh, we're probably past the slippery slope. We're in the bone crushing gravitational pull of a black hole.

Yea you may be right especially is Tiaras Law passes in Colorado

 

[PEPPERJAX]

In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.

I feel like pepperjax.

 

[hndog609]

Where did you see that he/she identified as 13 yr old? The article states that this competition was not set up by age:

So called "transage" is relatively nascent but it actually exists. Do a search, I think they have a flag and everything. The pedos of course are big time down with getting that one seeping into the water supply for obvious reasons. I think the big deal with pretty much any social aspect of "trans" anything is based on normalizing something as a perceived right and therefore inviolate. By perceived I mean literally the only driver for something, regardless of how much it controverts even the most simple application of known sciences like biology and anthropology*, to be considered valid is "it's how I feel". If a full blown bag hanging/schmekel schwingin dude can not only announce "I'm a girl!" and make it stick to the point of being officially accepted in competition against, you know, REAL girls but have it be bigoted to look sideways at such a thing. This isn't a slippery slope argument...we're standing at the bottom of a hill with a ski lift and watching growing groups slide down in real time. And why not? If literally just one's feelz is having people (including children) not be what every single shred of biological/anatomical science says they are then how can anyone say what isn't on the table? Why not transage? Why not Otherkin? Why not something so crazy we haven't even thought of it yet but somebody will eventually? If all we were talking about was, as some have posited, having it be an etiquette thing where calling the person formally known as Robert "Roberta" and making sure to remember "she" absolutely does not look fat in those jeans then maybe we could just "all get along". While some in that community would be satisfied with that many are not and it's naive to believe otherwise. To them getting transgender normalized was a beachhead and they're trying to get a breakout.

*Anthropology fields are getting some grief for having the audacity to sex remains. (like the pelvis and such) Obviously there's no way for these scientists to know how that person identified so...you know...science bad. I wish I was making this up but I'm not.

 

[NashVol11]

Posted this at 12:02 yesterday. Couple hours later another mass shooting by a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman....




^^^^ and this Muppets response to the Spanish language service getting shot up at a church by another mentally ill man in drag was " close the border".

wow.

The shooter wasn’t trans, so all the dramatic BS in this post can go straight in the trash

 

[85SugarVol]

Where did you see that he/she identified as 13 yr old? The article states that this competition was not set up by age:

It was in a prior article in this thread. I included the “allegedly” as to her identifying as 13 years old.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

The shooter wasn’t trans, so all the dramatic BS in this post can go straight in the trash

this is nonsense.

That biological woman who masqueraded as a man named Jeff wasnt trans??

You're full of it. As usual. Arguing with you and Turdbowl/LG is a complete waste of time though. I live in reality and operate with facts. Yall just make sheit up and try to rationalize BS. Wake up.

 

[GordonC]

In what other domain do we say "If I feel like X, then I am X?"

We don't say it with race, species, or age. Philosophically, that's what I struggle with. A white person isn't black because he feels black. If someone feels like a cat, they're not a cat. If someone feels like an octagenarian they're not an octagenarian. So why do we make the exception with gender? Would love for someone to explain to me why we can't have trans racial people, but can have transgender, especially when there's much more of a genetic basis for gender than race.