The Problems with Trans-ideology

[Carl Pickens]

That's untrue and a sad lack of tolerance that belittles you more than those you hate.

When did you transition?

 

[DC_Vol]

When did you transition?

And was it a lopadicfromy or an addadictomy?

 

[VolTull]

When did you transition?

Many times. Some call it reincarnation.

 

[whodeycin85]

Typically I would say it would but she did have a child so apparently she isn't gay, which is a key component of being trans.

That's not necessarily true. BRUCE Jenner isnt gay..and never has been...this lady presented a male name and presented male. Coupled with the massive mental illness she had..I think in 6 months we will find out she was...

 

[Vol8188]

This entire debate is really a deeper philosophical debate. Rooted in ideas such as that of “truth power” by Michel Foucault.

One side believes in universal truth, “a man is a man”. A is A.

The other side believes truth is simply created by the dominant society and attempts to gain power to create their own truth “some men are women”. Or “I’m living my own truth”.

When Tull says things like “a society” that calls trans a mental illness, he’s pulling from the work of Foucault, even if he’s unaware he’s doing so

 

[GroverCleveland]

I don’t hate any mentally ill, I hope they all get the help they need before they irreparable harm to themselves.

...and others.

 

[NashVol11]

this is nonsense.

That biological woman who masqueraded as a man named Jeff wasnt trans??

You're full of it. As usual. Arguing with you and Turdbowl/LG is a complete waste of time though. I live in reality and operate with facts. Yall just make sheit up and try to rationalize BS. Wake up.

The shooter wasn’t trans, you’re wrong and doubling down after going off on a stupid ass rant that was wrong as usual. Argue with the police lol

 

[NashVol11]

this is nonsense.

That biological woman who masqueraded as a man named Jeff wasnt trans??

You're full of it. As usual. Arguing with you and Turdbowl/LG is a complete waste of time though. I live in reality and operate with facts. Yall just make sheit up and try to rationalize BS. Wake up.

Here you go , let’s see if you take this all back like an adult or just move on to the next wrong as **** angry rant

Lakewood Church shooter was mentally troubled, consistently identified as female, police say

Despite reportedly using multiple aliases, including the male name Jeffrey Escalante, Genesse Ivonne Moreno, a mentally troubled individual who was shot dead by off-duty law enforcement officers ...

www.christianpost.com

 

[NashVol11]

This entire debate is really a deeper philosophical debate. Rooted in ideas such as that of “truth power” by Michel Foucault.

One side believes in universal truth, “a man is a man”. A is A.

The other side believes truth is simply created by the dominant society and attempts to gain power to create their own truth “some men are women”. Or “I’m living my own truth”.

When Tull says things like “a society” that calls trans a mental illness, he’s pulling from the work of Foucault, even if he’s unaware he’s doing so

This is the type of meaningless BS that sounds smart to very stupid people. “Man” is, was and will always be a word defined by humans, it’s not “universal”

 

[GroverCleveland]

11 years ago I was interviewing for my current job. I kept saying yes/no maam to our VP of HR. She asked that I stop bc she didn't care to be called maam. Our EVP of ops was in the room too. He's from North Carolina. He chimed in and said "Theresa he can't just stop calling you maam. He spent his entire childhood with the threat of not getting dinner if he didn't call you maam." He was right too.

I'm kind of like Jerry Clower; if I didn't say "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am", my ancestors might come up out the grave and get me.

 

[hog88]

I'm kind of like Jerry Clower; if I didn't say "yes ma'am" and "no ma'am", my ancestors might come up out the grave and get me.

I'm still scared my dad will slap the hat off my head if I sit down to eat without taking it off and he's 400 miles away.

 

[GroverCleveland]

This is the type of meaningless BS that sounds smart to very stupid people. “Man” is, was and will always be a word defined by humans, it’s not “universal”

Uhm. Who else are you expecting to be defining a term for humans other than humans?

 

[NashVol11]

Uhm. Who else are you expecting to be defining a term for humans other than humans?

Uhm. Since I apparently need to slow things down for you, that means it isn’t some universal set-in-stone truth; man is whatever we say man is

 

[82_VOL_83]

Uhm. Who else are you expecting to be defining a term for humans other than humans?

transhumans

 

[Vol8188]

This is the type of meaningless BS that sounds smart to very stupid people. “Man” is, was and will always be a word defined by humans, it’s not “universal”

What you’re talking about is a different thing. Language is created by man, sure. So the word “man” and its meaning are man made, on that we agree.

But independent of language, men still exist and predate the term man. Just like how the quantity 5 predates the term/symbol 5 and still has an independent value even before it was labeled by men.

So yes, the categories men and women exist independ of being labeled as such. We didn’t create the terms out of a desire to distinguish the two groups, but rather the terms exist because the two groups were already separate and distinguishable groups.

Men and women are universal. A is A. A man is a man. A man is not whatever they wish they are, which is what the trans ideology seems to be proclaiming. That there is no actual truth and that you are simply whatever you proclaim yourself to be.

 

[Vol8188]

Uhm. Since I apparently need to slow things down for you, that means it isn’t some universal set-in-stone truth; man is whatever we say man is

The categories of man and woman predate the term man and woman. That’s what you’re missing here.

Sure, we create language. But we created these terms for a specific reason to distinguish two distinct categories.

That separation exists independent of language.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Uhm. Since I apparently need to slow things down for you, that means it isn’t some universal set-in-stone truth; man is whatever we say man is

I can assure you that it is unnecessary to "slow things down" for me. However, in spite of the juvenile attempt at the insult, you have provided the answer, which is your original statement was pure nonsense. Thank you.

To paraphrase the Bard, a lunatic by any other name is still crazy as hell.

 

[NashVol11]

I can assure you that it is unnecessary to "slow things down" for me. However, in spite of the juvenile attempt at the insult, you have provided the answer, which is your original statement was pure nonsense. Thank you.

Evidence including your incredibly stupid question suggests otherwise lol

 

[GroverCleveland]

Evidence including your incredibly stupid question suggests otherwise lol

Wait! Look! We have a keyboard badass!

 

[Vol8188]

Evidence including your incredibly stupid question suggests otherwise lol

Is he the stupid one here?

Do the quantities 5 and 3 exist independently of our ability to call them (language) 5 and 3? And is 5 not still greater than 3 even if you never knew the terms 5 and 3?

Before men ever had the ability to utter the word “5”, the quantity obviously existed and was obviously greater than the number 3.

You seem to be denying this basic fact of reality

 

[NashVol11]

Wait! Look! We have a keyboard badass!

Is it badass to call a stupid and irrelevant question what it is? I’ll take it I suppose

 

[NashVol11]

Is he the stupid one here?

Do the quantities 5 and 3 exist independently of our ability to call them (language) 5 and 3? And is 5 not still greater than 3 even if you never knew the terms 5 and 3?

Before men ever had the ability to utter the word “5”, the quantity obviously existed and was obviously greater than the number 3.

You seem to be denying this basic fact of reality

Your assertion that it is a "fact of reality" that there is a defined "man" that both includes whatever we want it to and also necessarily excludes trans people makes the rest of this babbling nonsense

 

[Vol8188]

Your assertion that it is a "fact of reality" that there is a defined "man" that both includes whatever we want it to and also necessarily excludes trans people makes the rest of this babbling nonsense

I’ve never said it includes “whatever we want it to”. That’s your claim, mine is the exact opposite of that.

 

[Vol8188]

Your assertion that it is a "fact of reality" that there is a defined "man" that both includes whatever we want it to and also necessarily excludes trans people makes the rest of this babbling nonsense

If all of mankind were illiterate and mute, meaning the terms man and woman did not exist, would the categories still exist?

Would men and women be separate and distinguishable independent of language?

It’s a simple question.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Is it badass to call a stupid and irrelevant question what it is? I’ll take it I suppose

You know what, I think I see where the confusion takes places. Carefully go back and read the bold part I quoted from your comment.

You see, your statement was questionably formed. "Man" as used grammatically in your statement is generally accepted as the term for Mankind, which is how I took it and was wondering who else you were expecting to show up in the universe with different definitions. "A man" seems to be what you meant and others understood it that way. I did not, I took it as grammatically expressed.

Even clearing that up, your original statement is questionable. If man is not understood to be a universal description of a male specimen of the human species, then what is? Besides men and women, what else there?