The Problems with Trans-ideology

[McDad]

Reports are they were smashing her head against the floor repeatedly.

I'm going to hold a very skeptical wait and see attitude about this event as it's reported from all sides of the political and/or gender spectrum. The autopsy report sounds suspicious to me. But I don't know how we could confidently know exactly what took place inside of that bathroom

 

[hog88]

Good point.
Simply overlooked or bias on my part.

I would hope schools would have restrooms where these kids could go safely or give them access to restrooms that the other kids don't have access to.

Really? We now have to have boys, girls, others bathrooms in schools?

 

[McDad]

Was Nex in the “wrong” bathroom though? In terms of what they would have chosen?

Nex identified as non-binary.

Huff seems to be implying that Nex would have preferred the Boy’s bathroom (based on what idk?), and was forced into the Girl’s bathroom because of their biological genitalia.

Why would non-binary teen prefer the Boy’s bathroom? And why would they have been safer in there?

Well he hasn't made any assertion about what is or is not the right bathroom. On the surface I agree with you. And generally speaking I think a non-binary person would be safer in a group of girls and they would a group of boys. I think we're just have to wait until all of the details come out to know where the truth is

 

[McDad]

Really? We now have to have boys, girls, others bathrooms in schools?

No not necessarily other. There could be single fixture bathrooms or bathrooms that male and female teachers have access to which should be safer for kids. I mean I don't want to rebuild schools and drain more money out of government funding but it would seem to me a simple solution would be possible given how many bathrooms are in a typical School

 

[n_huffhines]

Reports are they were smashing her head against the floor repeatedly.

BTW, I'm looking at all these reports with some skepticism...both of the story we're getting but also the coroner's report. Her head was getting smashed in the floor but they ruled "not from trauma." Maybe the attacks are exaggerated.

They don't even have the results from toxicology back but they're making public statements about the cause? Maybe they're trying to calm people down, IDK. I just know these death rulings can get really wacky. Like, two different examiners can determine two different causes and both have good reason.

Even if Nex took a bunch of pills to end their life, it's still a tragedy on that level.

 

[hog88]

No not necessarily other. There could be single fixture bathrooms or bathrooms that male and female teachers have access to which should be safer for kids. I mean I don't want to rebuild schools and drain more money out of government funding but it would seem to me a simple solution would be possible given how many bathrooms are in a typical School

IDK maybe it's just that I'm getting old. Just never had these problems until recently.

 

[McDad]

IDK maybe it's just that I'm getting old. Just never had these problems until recently.

Well there's a lot of Truth to that. People in our time kept anything beyond heterosexuality a closely guarded secret. It's not that way anymore and even in some parts of the country people are encouraged or empowered to dress completely different from their biological gender. It might be a fad that will you know settle out over time. But the genie is out of the bottle. We're not going back. If those kids are at risk, they will have to be protected in those schools

 

[n_huffhines]

IDK maybe it's just that I'm getting old. Just never had these problems until recently.

Yeah, it's a different world. People who were different had to stay closeted and what was just a problem for them now presents new challenges for everybody.

 

[whodeycin85]

I wouldn't be so quick to give the boys an out here. Are they likely to beat the crap out of a girl? No. Might they sexually assault or rape a biological female? That I could unfortunately see happening.

I'm honestly surprised a group of girls beat another girl to death, the autopsy report notwithstanding, because that is very rare as far as I know.

Remeber the HS that Roanoke covered up the tranny that raped a girl...

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

I didn't realize those girl started the altercation by dumping water on the other girls...

 

[hog88]

Well there's a lot of Truth to that. People in our time kept anything beyond heterosexuality a closely guarded secret. It's not that way anymore and even in some parts of the country people are encouraged or empowered to dress completely different from their biological gender. It might be a fad that will you know settle out over time. But the genie is out of the bottle. We're not going back. If those kids are at risk, they will have to be protected in those schools

I went to a real small school and we had at least 1 gay guy, he was open about it and I don't remember him ever having issues. Maybe he did but I know he was never assaulted and this was the mid to late 80s.

 

[whodeycin85]

No not necessarily other. There could be single fixture bathrooms or bathrooms that male and female teachers have access to which should be safer for kids. I mean I don't want to rebuild schools and drain more money out of government funding but it would seem to me a simple solution would be possible given how many bathrooms are in a typical School

Or quit catering to mental illness

 

[whodeycin85]

BTW, I'm looking at all these reports with some skepticism...both of the story we're getting but also the coroner's report. Her head was getting smashed in the floor but they ruled "not from trauma." Maybe the attacks are exaggerated.

They don't even have the results from toxicology back but they're making public statements about the cause? Maybe they're trying to calm people down, IDK. I just know these death rulings can get really wacky. Like, two different examiners can determine two different causes and both have good reason.

Even if Nex took a bunch of pills to end their life, it's still a tragedy on that level.

Strange the ER sent her home without a concussion protocol...at least it's not mentioned

 

[85SugarVol]

Well he hasn't made any assertion about what is or is not the right bathroom. On the surface I agree with you. And generally speaking I think a non-binary person would be safer in a group of girls and they would a group of boys. I think we're just have to wait until all of the details come out to know where the truth is

He strongly implied that Nex was not in the Girl’s restroom by choice.

Seems like any other bathroom situation would have been safer for Nex.

 

[McDad]

Remeber the HS that Roanoke covered up the tranny that raped a girl...

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

I didn't realize those girl started the altercation by dumping water on the other girls...

Had no recollection of that story.

 

[McDad]

I went to a real small school and we had at least 1 gay guy, he was open about it and I don't remember him ever having issues. Maybe he did but I know he was never assaulted and this was the mid to late 80s.

Small school, too. I dont remember any openly gay kids. Knew a few who came out after they graduated.

 

[McDad]

Or quit catering to mental illness

If you look at the Historical rates of homosexuality and gender dysphoria, you have to conclude the number of kids claiming gender identity issues now is out of the norm. But even if that goes back to historical rates, you can't just say we're not going to cater to a mental illness. If those kids are in school, and they are at risk or threatened by other kids, the school has a responsibility to protect them

 

[McDad]

He strongly implied that Nex was not in the Girl’s restroom by choice.

I went back and reread the post. I didn't see the implication you referenced.

 

[hog88]

Small school, too. I dont remember any openly gay kids. Knew a few who came out after they graduated.

I dated his younger sister for a bit so I got to know him fairly well. He wasn't in your face about it but he sure didn't hide it.

Forgot one, our starting QB my Jr year came out of the closet a few years after he graduated. That one was a real shocker.

 

[whodeycin85]

If you look at the Historical rates of homosexuality and gender dysphoria, you have to conclude the number of kids claiming gender identity issues now is out of the norm. But even if that goes back to historical rates, you can't just say we're not going to cater to a mental illness. If those kids are in school, and they are at risk or threatened by other kids, the school has a responsibility to protect them

I agree to a degree, but we are dealing with a generation or 2 or 3 with severe mental illness...now if gender is indeed a social construct then isnt it up to society to correct the issue???? Take rape and pedophilia...1 rape, society has rebelled against that any person being attacked , the offender is often dealt with by those around...2. Pedophilla now becoming popular even after years it was a pariah that everyone agreed was bad...
I don't wanna see anyone hurt, but at what point does society play a role in allowing or not allowing abhorrent behsvior

 

[McDad]

I agree to a degree, but we are dealing with a generation or 2 or 3 with severe mental illness...now if gender is indeed a social construct then isnt it up to society to correct the issue???? Take rape and pedophilia...1 rape, society has rebelled against that any person being attacked , the offender is often dealt with by those around...2. Pedophilla now becoming popular even after years it was a pariah that everyone agreed was bad...
I don't wanna see anyone hurt, but at what point does society play a role in allowing or not allowing abhorrent behsvior

I respect agreeable disagreement. If 100% of the student population was heterosexual and not wanting to go into a bathroom where other people would want to attack them, there wouldn't be a problem. But even if this is a mental illness was addressed you would not have a 100% success rate. So there's going to be people who want to go into a bathroom where they feel more comfortable but the other people in that bathroom feel more uncomfortable. Whether that's a single student or multiple, those children will need to be protected. If it was my child and I was not reasonably assured they would be protected in the bathroom, I would not allow my child to attend that school

 

[whodeycin85]

I respect agreeable disagreement. If 100% of the student population was heterosexual and not wanting to go into a bathroom where other people would want to attack them, there wouldn't be a problem. But even if this is a mental illness was addressed you would not have a 100% success rate. So there's going to be people who want to go into a bathroom where they feel more comfortable but the other people in that bathroom feel more uncomfortable. Whether that's a single student or multiple, those children will need to be protected. If it was my child and I was not reasonably assured they would be protected in the bathroom, I would not allow my child to attend that school

I agree they need to be protected..especially school...but mental illness shouldn't be encouraged like it is now....

 

[McDad]

I agree they need to be protected..especially school...but mental illness shouldn't be encouraged like it is now....

I agree 100%. The challenging part is to separate mental illness from hormonal irregularity, faulty genetics, glandular pathology, and attention seeking.

 

[85SugarVol]

I went back and reread the post. I didn't see the implication you referenced.

He hasn’t edited the post.

He said any other bathroom would have been safer for Nex.

That seems to imply that Nex was forced into the most unsafe bathroom- the girl’s bathroom.

 

[McDad]

He hasn’t edited the post.

He said any other bathroom would have been safer for Nex.

That seems to imply that Nex was forced into the most unsafe bathroom- the girl’s bathroom.

I didn't see that in his op in our thread. That must have been added later.

I didn't read the article associated with the op. Was the school's bathroom policy for this kid ever mentioned?

 

[Vol8188]

Well, the bathroom problem just got really real.

Looks like Nex was biologically born female (Dagny) and is non-binary. Sounds like they got beat up really bad by a few girls in a girl's bathroom at an Oklahoma high school, and died that night in their sleep. Death has been ruled "not from trauma" which is a hell of a coincidence.

Death of Nex Benedict - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the bathroom issue wasn’t “really real” for you when a trans person raped a girl in a Virginia school bathroom, but is now?

Weird.