The Problems with Trans-ideology

[volfanhill]

So this gif no longer valid?

 

[Vol8188]

We'll just agree to disagree on this one. And, for the record, based on what we know and see I do not believe she should be competing against women.

Another question for you: which bathroom should they use? If you believe them to be a man, but they have only female equipment, where should they go? I doubt we'd want someone with a vagina using bathrooms full of penises. Another reason this isn't simple.

I don’t think your second question matters. I don’t care. I’m glad we agree on the first part though.

Did you look more into the “conception claim” from earlier? Those stories have been misrepresented. No one with xy chromosomes has ovaries not produces eggs. Many produce sperm but it’s not typically viable sperm and obviously lacks the needed parts to deliver sperm. Although some have successfully fertilized eggs through the aid of modern medicine. Further proof of the fact that these individuals are male

 

[Vol8188]

So this gif no longer valid?

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Only valid in 99.9% of cases.

 

[Vol8188]

So what? You said I'm making it complicated. It is complicated because God makes people that are non-binary. Literally, doctors don't know what to declare as their sex when they are born. That's the so what

XY chromosomes=male

Where’s the complication? It’s sad that some of these people have underdeveloped genitals and have been raised as women. I feel bad for them when they found out. But that doesn’t change the simple reality here.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Sad weird loser energy coming from the trans panic crowd, as per usual. Can the mods clean this up and maybe put a restraining order on the little freaks from posting twitter “bulge” photos please?

I get the outrage, but, they absolutely need to know both sides of the story.

In the end, who has the ability to effect change?

International Olympic Committee, in this case. So, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

No reason to get defensive, just adding more clear, factual information that you can SEE so we can update our programming

Lol...I could photoshop that stuff. Want to see Carrie Underwood carrying...under wood? I'm sure you do. It'd be easy to create.

 

[NashVol11]

At least she’s not trying to pull a Riley Gaines

"All this controversy makes me sad," Carini told Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport.

"I'm sorry for my opponent, too. If the IOC said she can fight, I respect that decision."

Carini, also 25, said abandoning the fight had been a mature step to take, but she expressed regret at not shaking hands with Khelif afterwards.

"It wasn't something I intended to do," Carini said. "Actually, I want to apologise to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke."

She added that if she met Khelif again, she would "embrace her".

"The Algerian boxer was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport," IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said on Friday.

Olympic boxing: Angela Carini says she wants to apologise to Imane Khelif

Angela Carini says she "wants to apologise" to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif after there was no handshake at the end of their Olympic fight.

www.bbc.com

 

[GroverCleveland]

He didn't say "force" he said "expects." If he meant force, he wouldn't be talking about "disrespect," he'd be talking about rights

In one part he did say "expects." Subsequently, he said "require." The problem with this mess is "require" tends bring "force" along with it so it becomes indistinguishable.

 

[gcbvol]

I don’t think your second question matters. I don’t care. I’m glad we agree on the first part though.

Did you look more into the “conception claim” from earlier? Those stories have been misrepresented. No one with xy chromosomes has ovaries not produces eggs. Many produce sperm but it’s not typically viable sperm and obviously lacks the needed parts to deliver sperm. Although some have successfully fertilized eggs through the aid of modern medicine. Further proof of the fact that these individuals are male

Why would the second question not matter? It directly supports this being more complex than you make it out to be.

I did research further and was wrong on the conception piece. An intersex person may possess a uterus and ovaries while having a Y chromosome, but they are sterile. So while they can carry a pregnancy to term, but cannot naturally conceive.

 

[Sea Ray]

Folks, this appears to be a rare case of intersex. It sounds like this is a female with XY chromosomes. Perhaps she has this syndrome:

Girls with Swyer syndrome have an XY chromosomal makeup (as boys normally do) instead of an XX chromosomal makeup (as girls normally do). Despite having the XY chromosomal makeup, girls with Swyer syndrome look female and have functional female genitalia and structures including a vagina, uterus and fallopian tubes.

Granted, details appear to be lacking but in very very rare cases, people with XY chromosomes are not necessarily male. This might be one of those cases so let's be careful making the definitive statement that XY always equals male. Don't let the liberals use this really rare circumstance to justify trans beating up women. This is currently a winning issue for conservatives. Don't give the liberals a win on this rare instance

Swyer syndrome - Symptoms, Causes, Treatment | NORD

Learn about Swyer syndrome, including symptoms, causes, and treatments. If you or a loved one is affected by this condition, visit NORD to find resources and

rarediseases.org

 

[Vol8188]

Why would the second question not matter? It directly supports this being more complex than you make it out to be.

I did research further and was wrong on the conception piece. An intersex person may possess a uterus and ovaries while having a Y chromosome, but they are sterile. So they can carry a pregnancy to term, but cannot naturally conceive.

Because I don’t care where you potty. I’m not sure what you’re getting to with that angle.

And no. They do not possess ovaries. They may have a uterus, but not ovaries. I’d be curious to know where you’re getting the ovaries claim from.

They can carry a pregnancy and some (rare) can even father (provide the sperm) a child. But none can provide the egg.

 

[CobbVol]

I don’t think your second question matters. I don’t care. I’m glad we agree on the first part though.

Did you look more into the “conception claim” from earlier? Those stories have been misrepresented. No one with xy chromosomes has ovaries not produces eggs. Many produce sperm but it’s not typically viable sperm and obviously lacks the needed parts to deliver sperm. Although some have successfully fertilized eggs through the aid of modern medicine. Further proof of the fact that these individuals are male

This group makes up .00018% of the population.

 

[gcbvol]

Because I don’t care where you potty. I’m not sure what you’re getting to with that angle.

And no. They do not possess ovaries. They may have a uterus, but not ovaries. I’d be curious to know where you’re getting the ovaries claim from.

They can carry a pregnancy and some (rare) can even father (provide the sperm) a child. But none can provide the egg.

• Swyer syndrome
  People with Swyer syndrome have XY chromosomes in each cell, but female reproductive structures, including a uterus and fallopian tubes. However, their gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional, so they are infertile. However, they can become pregnant through the implantation of donated eggs.
• True gonadal intersex
  People with true gonadal intersex have both ovaries and testicles, and can have XX, XY, or both chromosomes. Some intersex people with both ovarian and testicular tissue may be able to get pregnant on their own if they also have a uterus. However, if they have testes, they may release more testosterone than is optimal for conception and pregnancy. In this case, hormone therapy or removal of testicular tissue may help.

 

[NashVol11]

Because I don’t care where you potty. I’m not sure what you’re getting to with that angle.

Whether or not you care, it’s a decision that has to be made. “I don’t care” seems like a copout because you don’t want to say someone with a vagina should be using the men’s bathroom

 

[Vol8188]

Whether or not you care, it’s a decision that has to be made. “I don’t care” seems like a copout because you don’t want to say someone with a vagina should be using the men’s bathroom

Given these people don’t know they’re men until they’re teenagers in most cases, where they should potty seems obvious. In the women’s room.

But that is a different question than should they compete in the Olympics

 

[gcbvol]

Whether or not you care, it’s a decision that has to be made. “I don’t care” seems like a copout because you don’t want to say someone with a vagina should be using the men’s bathroom

I think this is accurate. It muddies the man vs woman take.

 

[InVOLuntary]

So let me clarify further.

In no way do I believe anyone should be compelled to use another’s chosen name or pronouns.

I don’t use Lia’s chosen name because I’m forced to. I use her name/pronouns because I choose to. Because I believe it to be the decent thing to do.

But I support your right to be as ugly as you wish. No one should have their speech compelled.

I prefer you to refer to me as "King" from hence forward!

 

[LSU-SIU]

So what? You said I'm making it complicated. It is complicated because God makes people that are non-binary. Literally, doctors don't know what to declare as their sex when they are born. That's the so what

Its not complex because it is easy for humans to figure this out, in this case, they did. Its a dude. Whether or not the person is a chick with dick or a muff hole is not complex, as they can simply perform a test. There is nothing complex about this at all.... its actually quite simple.

Again, what's your real issue here? (Fourth time)

 

[KB5252]

At least she’s not trying to pull a Riley Gaines

Olympic boxing: Angela Carini says she wants to apologise to Imane Khelif

Angela Carini says she "wants to apologise" to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif after there was no handshake at the end of their Olympic fight.

www.bbc.com

With all due respect this situation isn't even all that similar to the Lia Thomas situation. I think Gaines was absolutely correct to stand up for women athletes in respect to trans men invading their athletic spaces.

She's gone too political but on that issue I support her.

 

[Vol8188]

• Swyer syndrome
  People with Swyer syndrome have XY chromosomes in each cell, but female reproductive structures, including a uterus and fallopian tubes. However, their gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional, so they are infertile. However, they can become pregnant through the implantation of donated eggs.
• True gonadal intersex
  People with true gonadal intersex have both ovaries and testicles, and can have XX, XY, or both chromosomes. Some intersex people with both ovarian and testicular tissue may be able to get pregnant on their own if they also have a uterus. However, if they have testes, they may release more testosterone than is optimal for conception and pregnancy. In this case, hormone therapy or removal of testicular tissue may help.

We were talking XY. Sure someone with XX can have ovaries as in the second example you mentioned. In the first example you’re using notice they use the term gonads. Because both ovaries and testes are very close in structure and these people have underdeveloped organs that wouldn’t really qualify as either.

That’s why you’ll see many sources call them “streak gonads”. Because they have underdeveloped organs that don’t really qualify as either.

 

[Vol8188]

I think this is accurate. It muddies the man vs woman take.

It just means you’re a man who didn’t know you were a man until later in life. I don’t think that muddies anything.

 

[MercyPercy]

What a ride these past few pages have been

 

[GroverCleveland]

I prefer you to refer to me as "King" from hence forward!

Like this. Henceforth, I shall be known as the "Duke of Tellico Plains."

 

[Vol8188]

I think the easiest way to sum up my stance here is this:

The women’s category should always have the strictest standards. I don’t care who competes in the men’s division, because it’s naturally more difficult. So if you can’t meet those strict requirements (such as having a Y chromosome), you should be in the men’s category

 

[Majors]

Yes. Has XY chromosome. Has failed past test for too much testosterone in the body for female competition. Boxing has always been a shady sport. The Olympics hold their test “private”.

Can’t see the parts