The Problems with Trans-ideology

[KB5252]

I guess you are right. I have just as much proof that she's not trans as I have that you aren't. Same for Trump and Harris. My gosh what did you just discover!

That we're all trans lady boys? Cool!


In all seriousness I agree with you, I'm as close to convinced as I possibly can be she's just intersexual.

Which makes this an even more difficult scenario. I'm glad I'm not in charge of making those decisions, tough to balance one woman's hopes and dreams against others who she may or may not have physical advantages over.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[LSU-SIU]

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I guess I don't see what one has got to do with the other.

Basically where this leads is no women's sports, everyone in the same bucket. I actually think in the U.S. its most likely to happen legally. As I mentioned 12+ years ago when I said there was no such thing as an amateur athlete back then, I will say there are major legal problems going forward for woman with separation. Its absolutely wonderful to see the NCAA getting destroyed, although there is much further to go.... I don't quite feel the same way about woman sports or separation... but eventually it will happen.

For the record, I find most sports cringe now, and anything on TV is super cringe. I don't know how you guys pay for this crap. (separate subject I guess)

 

[NashVol11]

That we're all trans lady boys? Cool!


In all seriousness I agree with you, I'm as close to convinced as I possibly can be she's just intersexual.

Which makes this an even more difficult scenario. I'm glad I'm not in charge of making those decisions, tough to balance one woman's hopes and dreams against others who she may or may not have physical advantages over.

There’s not much to substantiate that she’s intersex either, just that one quote from one person

 

[DinkinFlicka]

There’s not much to substantiate that she’s intersex either, just that one quote from one person

"Just look at her"

 

[NashVol11]

"Just look at her"

Yeah and that line of thinking is exactly what I was previously saying is bad for all women

 

[hUTch2002]

Generational tale about Greek immigrants who immigrate to the US in the early 20th century Michigan, all told by a 3rd generation hermaphrodite descendant. It's really good and anybody would like it. It's not something Christians would have a problem with. It just helps you realize they are real biologically non-binary people with feelings.

Instead of 0 or 1 they are 0.5?

 

[KB5252]

There’s not much to substantiate that she’s intersex either, just that one quote from one person

It's the most plausible explanation of why she didn't meet eligibility requirements in the past, and if the reports of testing for high levels of testosterone and male chromosomes are correct it's really the only explanation...... IF those reports are true.

 

[NashVol11]

It's the most plausible explanation of why she didn't meet eligibility requirements in the past, and if the reports of testing for high levels of testosterone and male chromosomes are correct it's really the only explanation...... IF those reports are true.

The chromosome thing only came from that one guy, the IBA has never even said they tested for that or given any results or details reportedly even to Imane herself

 

[jp1]

The chromosome thing only came from that one guy, the IBA has never even said they tested for that or given any results or details reportedly even to Imane herself

XY is the disqualifier in the rules. Not sure if that's what the boxer failed or not, but that is what is stated in the rules. Neither boxer appealled the results of the test, which was confirmed from 2 independent laboratories.

 

[NashVol11]

XY is the disqualifier in the rules. Not sure if that's what the boxer failed or not, but that is what is stated in the rules. Neither boxer appealled the results of the test, which was confirmed from 2 independent laboratories.

That doesn’t change anything, they never said what the test was or why she passed in 2022 before being flagged after beating a Russian boxer a year later

 

[jp1]

That doesn’t change anything, they never said what the test was or why she passed in 2022 before being flagged after beating a Russian boxer a year later

Change anything in regards to what? The IOC doesn't have a gender eligibility rule similar to the IBA. They broke no Olympic rule that I'm aware of, however it does raise the question of fairness in the sport. Of course opinions will differ. The results of the 2022 tests were apparently received after conclusion of the event, however the disqualification at the 23 event reviewed the results of both 2022 and 23. The article in the Sporting News today does state that both boxers failed XY chromosome testing. Again, I have no way to confirm that, but I don't know why they would say that if it's false information.

 

[chuckiepoo]

That doesn’t change anything, they never said what the test was or why she passed in 2022 before being flagged after beating a Russian boxer a year later

While I hesitate to get involved here, the above article also notes the IOC ceased xy chromosome testing in 2000.

 

[NashVol11]

The article in the Sporting News today does state that both boxers failed XY chromosome testing. Again, I have no way to confirm that, but I don't know why they would say that if it's false information.

This article? No it doesn't

Imane Khelif gender eligibility test, explained: Why IOC doesn't recognize 'sudden and arbitrary' disqualification from IBA World Championship | Sporting News

Why controversial boxer Imane Khelif failed a gender eligibility test and why the IOC isn't recognizing it.

www.sportingnews.com

Khelif was one of two boxers to fail a gender eligibility test ahead of the 2023 World Boxing Championships in New Delhi. While some reports indicate Khelif was found to have had a high level of testosterone, the International Boxing Association (IBA), which administered the test, said Khelif failed a "separate and recognized test" in a statement on Wednesday.

IBA president Umar Kremlev said Khelif was "proven" to have XY chromosomes, which sparked outrage throughout the sports world and beyond. XY chromosomes indicate that an individual is male. However, certain conditions can allow a woman to present XY chromosomes. It remains unconfirmed which condition Khelif might have, if any at all.

However, the IBA has an ongoing dispute with the International Olympic Committee (IOC). The organization is banned from the Olympics, and some believe Kremlev is less than trustworthy due to the dispute with the IOC.

There is no indication Khelif is transgender. That would raise entirely different ethics concerns about her Olympic eligibility, but she has never identified as anything other than a woman, and there is no indication that she identifies as intersex, either.

The IOC reaffirmed that every boxer at the Olympics met eligibility requirements and, without naming Khelif, explained that the committee does not recognize the IBA's ban on the Algerian boxer and Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting.

"The two athletes were the victims of a sudden and arbitrary decision by the IBA," the IOC said, arguing that Khelif and Yu-Ting "were suddenly disqualified without any due process."

The IOC added that the IBA's decision was carried out by the organization's secretary general and CEO without any review. The IBA also didn't reveal specifics about the exact test Khelif failed.

 

[jp1]

This article? No it doesn't

Imane Khelif gender eligibility test, explained: Why IOC doesn't recognize 'sudden and arbitrary' disqualification from IBA World Championship | Sporting News

Why controversial boxer Imane Khelif failed a gender eligibility test and why the IOC isn't recognizing it.

www.sportingnews.com

IBA president Umar Kremlev said Khelif was "proven" to have XY chromosomes, which sparked outrage throughout the sports world and beyond. XY chromosomes indicate that an individual is male.

From the article you just linked. It says the failed eligibility requirements of the IBA because of the above.

 

[NashVol11]

IBA president Umar Kremlev said Khelif was "proven" to have XY chromosomes, which sparked outrage throughout the sports world and beyond. XY chromosomes indicate that an individual is male.

From the article you just linked. It says the failed eligibility requirements of the IBA because of the above.

He "said" that, while editorializing and saying some boxers were trying to "trick" them, and more recently saying women's boxing is ruined or whatever else he said.

That is most certainly not the Sporting News reporting that she tested as XY, and the entire rest of the article is calling that quote into question lol

 

[jp1]

He "said" that, while editorializing and saying some boxers were trying to "trick" them, and more recently saying women's boxing is ruined or whatever else he said.

That is most certainly not the Sporting News reporting that she tested as XY, and the entire rest of the article is calling that quote into question lol

You would argue with a damn wall. I said it was reported the IBA dude said it in the sporting news article. Is that not what he aaid?

 

[chuckiepoo]

Fact Check: Olympics boxing gender testing controversy explained

Political outrage surrounding two women competing in boxing at the Paris Olympics stems from “a lot of misinformation,” an International Olympics Committee spokesperson said Friday. It all began when the IOC said Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan were allowed to compete at...

www.nbcnewyork.com

The issue boils down to rare occurrences of genetic and chromosomal variance explained briefly in the article above.

The primary issue boils down to the question, “Why does the IOC not demand and settle on an xy chromosome test?”.

 

[LSU-SIU]

That doesn’t change anything, they never said what the test was or why she passed in 2022 before being flagged after beating a Russian boxer a year later

They never disclosed the results but the President of the IBA did disclose what the reason was. One never appealed, the other one withdrew. The disqualification was in 2023 from what I could gather.

They're dudes.

Fact Check: Olympics boxing gender testing controversy explained

 

[Vol8188]

Fact Check: Olympics boxing gender testing controversy explained

Political outrage surrounding two women competing in boxing at the Paris Olympics stems from “a lot of misinformation,” an International Olympics Committee spokesperson said Friday. It all began when the IOC said Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan were allowed to compete at...

www.nbcnewyork.com

The issue boils down to rare occurrences of genetic and chromosomal variance explained briefly in the article above.

The primary issue boils down to the question, “Why does the IOC not demand and settle on an xy chromosome test?”.

The last part seems like the easy answer. If you have a Y chromosome, you’re out

 

[LSU-SIU]

Fact Check: Olympics boxing gender testing controversy explained

Political outrage surrounding two women competing in boxing at the Paris Olympics stems from “a lot of misinformation,” an International Olympics Committee spokesperson said Friday. It all began when the IOC said Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan were allowed to compete at...

www.nbcnewyork.com

The issue boils down to rare occurrences of genetic and chromosomal variance explained briefly in the article above.

The primary issue boils down to the question, “Why does the IOC not demand and settle on an xy chromosome test?”.

Exactly. They already know.

 

[NashVol11]

You would argue with a damn wall. I said it was reported the IBA dude said it in the sporting news article. Is that not what he aaid?

This is what you said:

The article in the Sporting News today does state that both boxers failed XY chromosome testing. Again, I have no way to confirm that, but I don't know why they would say that if it's false information.

It doesn't state that. It states that one guy said that, and the IBA notably did not. It's not false information to say that one guy said that, while the IBA notably did not.

Just read post 6639 again, first you responded with a quote that was already included in that post and now rewriting the post I quoted in that post

 

[CobbVol]

From the article:

Why is Imane Khelif allowed to box at the Olympics?
The International Olympic Committee allowed Khelif to participate at the 2024 Olympics despite failing gender and testosterone tests in 2023.

Khelif's tests showed XY chromosomes, which caused the disqualification. That said, the 25-year-old was born a female and does identify as transgender. The IOC reported that her passport lists her as a female and that Algerian laws are strict against LGBTQ+ rights.

Angela Carini vs. Imane Khelif full fight video: Why Italian boxer suddenly quit Olympics match after 46 seconds | Sporting News

Imane Khelif is facing backlash for participating in the women's boxing tournament at the 2024 Paris Olympics.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is what you said:

"The article in the Sporting News today does state that both boxers failed XY chromosome testing. Again, I have no way to confirm that, but I don't know why they would say that if it's false information."

It doesn't state that. It states that one guy said that, and the IBA notably did not. It's not false information to say that one guy said that, while the IBA notably did not.

Just read post 6639 again, first you responded with a quote that was already included in that post and now rewriting the post I quoted in that post

This isn't a court of law where someone has to be sworn in and there is cross examination. Even if facts are presented in court, doesn't even mean they are true.

Not sure what your point is.

They're dudes, meaning most likely they are dudes.

 

[NashVol11]

From the article:

Why is Imane Khelif allowed to box at the Olympics?
The International Olympic Committee allowed Khelif to participate at the 2024 Olympics despite failing gender and testosterone tests in 2023.

Khelif's tests showed XY chromosomes, which caused the disqualification. That said, the 25-year-old was born a female and does identify as transgender. The IOC reported that her passport lists her as a female and that Algerian laws are strict against LGBTQ+ rights.

Angela Carini vs. Imane Khelif full fight video: Why Italian boxer suddenly quit Olympics match after 46 seconds | Sporting News

Imane Khelif is facing backlash for participating in the women's boxing tournament at the 2024 Paris Olympics.

www.sportingnews.com

That’s the same thing, just worded irresponsibly. One hundred percent of the “XY” stuff is based on one person saying so one time, without any verification or even confirmation that they tested for that