The Problems with Trans-ideology

[NashVol11]

what do you mean by well before that?

NPR says that NC's bill was in 2016 too. looking it up it was Feb 2016

Then it wasn’t a response to Obama admin guidance at all

 

[hog88]

All evidence we have suggests that the current politicization of trans people began with people fearmongering about trans people in bathrooms and passing laws to prevent them from entering. If someone is going to shift blame and say that actually, trans people started it by “shoving it down our throat too much,” it’s not unreasonable at all to ask them to back up their statements with a single shred of anything beyond “this is true because I said so”

Ok, I'll pull mine out first.

On February 22, Charlotte City Council passed an ordinance allowing transgender people to use the bathroom of their choice.

On March 23 the state legislature passed House Bill 2, and protests ensued. Lessthan a week later, the ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging HB2.

HB2: A history of the controversial 'bathroom bill' and how NC got here

 

[NashVol11]

NC's bathroom bill was in response to Charlotte passing an ordinance allowing trans people to use the bathroom/lockerooom of their choice.

That’s a generic non-discrimination ordinance that includes trans people, and is not “shoving trans down your throat” even a little bit

 

[CobbVol]

That’s a generic non-discrimination ordinance that includes trans people, and is not “shoving trans down your throat” even a little bit

It forced businesses open to the public like bars, restaurants, and stores to allow trans to use the bathroom in which they identify.

 

[NashVol11]

It forced businesses open to the public like bars, restaurants, and stores to allow trans to use the bathroom in which they identify.

Saying you shouldn’t discriminate against someone for being trans (or based on age/race/etc.) is not “shoving trans issues down (anyone’s) throat”

 

[gcbvol]

Really? What about the girls/women that have to deal with this absurdity? You’re being the very thing you’re crying about.

And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.

 

[NashVol11]

Like, if someone reads this bill and their takeaway is “TOO MUCH TRANS BEING SHOVED AT ME” then they are too deep in the echo chamber IMO

https://www.charlottenc.gov/files/sharedassets/city/v/1/city-government/departments/documents/clerks-office/ordinances/2015-2019/2016/ordinances-2016/february-22-2016.pdf

 

[CobbVol]

Saying you shouldn’t discriminate against someone for being trans (or based on age/race/etc.) is not “shoving trans issues down (anyone’s) throat”

Saying you should use the bathroom of your biological sex is not discriminating.

 

[NashVol11]

Saying you should use the bathroom of your biological sex is not discriminating.

The Charlotte ordinance said don’t discriminate, if the bathroom genital inspector crowd isn’t discriminating then there would be no reason to oppose that ordinance

 

[C-south]

And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.

Not to the level people are making it out to be? Are you serious? We aren’t talking just little league co-ed tee ball we’re talking high school, college, and even Olympic athletics. It’s not about selling anything it’s about a mentally ill group that lack any sense of self awareness and want everyone else to play along with their delusions. It’s sad it’s even a political issue and came to the point to where it has. People can live their lives and do what makes them happy but they also need to realize what they are and everyone doesn’t have to normalize it. They have the same rights as everyone else they just don’t want to accept that, they want special rights. This lunacy needs to end sooner than later.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Saying you shouldn’t discriminate against someone for being trans (or based on age/race/etc.) is not “shoving trans issues down (anyone’s) throat”

When you say trans-rights, are you saying that specifically in regards to bathroom access? Or are you including locker room access and sports participation as trans-rights?

I'll admit there's more bigotry and fear-mongering around trans issues than most conservatives want to admit. There's also more sincere desire to protect girls locker rooms and women's sports than liberals want to admit.

 

[CobbVol]

The Charlotte ordinance said don’t discriminate, if the bathroom genital inspector crowd isn’t discriminating then there would be no reason to oppose that ordinance

It was opposed to protect small businesses and essentially the single-sex bathroom in the way the ordinance was written. Before the ordinance of course, trans individuals were not being discriminated against as they could use the bathroom of their biological sex.

 

[LouderVol]

And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.

so the minority of women who have been attacked is lamentable but not enough to be worth taking action to protect.

but the minority of trans who have been is attacked is lamentable as well as enough to be worth taking action to protect?

seems like there is a threshold of acceptability you are willing to accept, and take exception to others having a different standard. you are also willing to accept actions that impact one group, but not willing to accept actions that impact another group.

 

[DynaLo]

And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.

Why should the majority that are real females be required to cater to the mental illness of males pretending to be female, which you yourself claim is a small number of the population?

 

[gcbvol]

so the minority of women who have been attacked is lamentable but not enough to be worth taking action to protect.

but the minority of trans who have been is attacked is lamentable as well as enough to be worth taking action to protect?

seems like there is a threshold of acceptability you are willing to accept, and take exception to others having a different standard. you are also willing to accept actions that impact one group, but not willing to accept actions that impact another group.

Where the hell did you find that take in my words? I have posted here multiple times I am against trans folks competing against biological women/girls. I do not believe they should share locker rooms, either.

Saying trans women are the biggest victims in all this is truth. That doesn't mean I don't care about, or support, the concerns of biological women.

You guys want a boogeyman, and trans people are today's incarnation. Never mind the abuse and murder rate they already endure. Let's go ahead and make their lives more unbearable by demonizing to fuel culture wars. Always need that red meat.

 

[whodeycin85]

Where the hell did find that take in my words? I have posted here multiple times I am against trans folks competing against biological women/girls. I do not believe they should share locker rooms, either.

Saying trans women are the biggest victims in all this is truth. That doesn't mean I don't care about, or support, the concerns of biological women.

You guys want a boogeyman, and trans people are today's incarnation. Never mind the abuse and murder rate they already endure. Let's go ahead and make their lives more unbearable by demonizing to fuel culture wars. Always need that red meat.

I have a question.. Do you remember heading about that lady that blinded herself because she wanted to be disabled??? Do you believe she should be labeled as a victim?

 

[gcbvol]

I have a question.. Do you remember heading about that lady that blinded herself because she wanted to be disabled??? Do you believe she should be labeled as a victim?

No, and no.

 

[gcbvol]

Why should the majority that are real females be required to cater to the mental illness of males pretending to be female, which you yourself claim is a small number of the population?

Where did I say that?

 

[whodeycin85]

No, and no.

Thanks..I was just curious.

 

[just bob]

Where the hell did you find that take in my words? I have posted here multiple times I am against trans folks competing against biological women/girls. I do not believe they should share locker rooms, either.

Saying trans women are the biggest victims in all this is truth. That doesn't mean I don't care about, or support, the concerns of biological women.

You guys want a boogeyman, and trans people are today's incarnation. Never mind the abuse and murder rate they already endure. Let's go ahead and make their lives more unbearable by demonizing to fuel culture wars. Always need that red meat.

Victims of what?

Do you play along to the "Reality" of schizophrenics?

 

[DynaLo]

Where did I say that?

You stated: “The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women.”

 

[gcbvol]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. All I'm saying is trans folks are people deserving compassion, too. They are not the evil predators they're being made out to be. This doesn't mean I think they should share locker rooms and athletics with biological women.

I'm sure it's no shock, but I know many trans folks, mostly though LGBT nonprofits we support. I care deeply for them and have seen the impacts of lies and hate on their lives. A few have left FL the past couple of years due to the state-driven culture wars. They're an easy target, so I'm going to stand up for them when I can. Those of us accustomed to prejudice and hate should stand up for others in the same boat.

 

[gcbvol]

You stated: “The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women.”

No, where did I say biological women should cater to them? I didn't.

 

[C-south]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. All I'm saying is trans folks are people deserving compassion, too. They are not the evil predators they're being made out to be. This doesn't mean I think they should share locker rooms and athletics with biological women.

I'm sure it's no shock, but I know many trans folks, mostly though LGBT nonprofits we support. I care deeply for them and have seen the impacts of lies and hate on their lives. A few have left FL the past couple of years due to the state-driven culture wars. They're an easy target, so I'm going to stand up for them when I can. Those of us accustomed to prejudice and hate should stand up for others in the same boat.

That road goes both ways. Maybe try less victimhood and more self awareness. People are being asked, or even forced, to normalize insanity to coddle a radical group. Do you think trans people, or whoever, would ever be ok with people not normalizing these issues but being tolerant and accepting so long as the radicals were aware there are consequences for fulfilling their delusional? Something like you know you’re a man that can pretend to be a female as long as it doesn’t infringe on real girls/women in any way?

 

[hog88]

That road goes both ways. Maybe try less victimhood and more self awareness. People are being asked, or even forced, to normalize insanity to coddle a radical group. Do you think trans people, or whoever, would ever be ok with people not normalizing these issues but being tolerant and accepting so long as the radicals were aware there are consequences for fulfilling their delusional? Something like you know you’re a man that can pretend to be a female as long as it doesn’t infringe on real girls/women in any way?

I think the vast majority of trans people don't want to be noticed as being anything other than what they portray themselves as. It's a small minority that wants to be noticed and cause problems.