The Problems with Trans-ideology

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gcbvol said:
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. All I'm saying is trans folks are people deserving compassion, too. They are not the evil predators they're being made out to be. This doesn't mean I think they should share locker rooms and athletics with biological women.

I'm sure it's no shock, but I know many trans folks, mostly though LGBT nonprofits we support. I care deeply for them and have seen the impacts of lies and hate on their lives. A few have left FL the past couple of years due to the state-driven culture wars. They're an easy target, so I'm going to stand up for them when I can. Those of us accustomed to prejudice and hate should stand up for others in the same boat.
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Specifically what would you like seen?
 
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gcbvol said:
Where the hell did you find that take in my words? I have posted here multiple times I am against trans folks competing against biological women/girls. I do not believe they should share locker rooms, either.

Saying trans women are the biggest victims in all this is truth. That doesn't mean I don't care about, or support, the concerns of biological women.

You guys want a boogeyman, and trans people are today's incarnation. Never mind the abuse and murder rate they already endure. Let's go ahead and make their lives more unbearable by demonizing to fuel culture wars. Always need that red meat.
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I didn't say you didn't have concerns for the biological females. I didn't even imply you felt a difference, I used the same language for the situations faced by both biological and trans, "lamentable".

the difference I was asking about was why the difference in the call to action between the two "lamentable" situations?

what I did infer was you held a threshold difference between the two lamentable situations. correct me if I am wrong about the threshold being the difference. the trans face a worse situation. I don't disagree with that assertion, I just pointed out that it was a matter of scale preference. I also pointed out that others may have different thresholds. so even if they think the trans face a worse situation, which admittedly many people don't think that, they think the lamentable situation biological women are in is "bad enough" to take action.

IF that last is the case, the however miniscule increase of risk to biological women is too much, it doesn't require hate of trans to want to take action to protect biological women.

the bolded is the point I was trying to drive to, I am sorry if you took insult with the way I was taking the conversation. it was not my intent. I just get tired of the lazy argument that one must hate trans people to not want them in the bathroom with biological women, and I was trying to show how/why that is with the same thinking that we need to take care of the trans members of society. we aren't that different, and most of the differences come down to a matter of preference rather than hate/bigotry.

granted hate and bigotry can be a factor for some of the preferences, but that shouldn't invalidate similar preferences because of association.
 
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hog88 said:
I think the vast majority of trans people don't want to be noticed as being anything other than what they portray themselves as. It's a small minority that wants to be noticed and cause problems.
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I think that’s probably true.

There have been trans people using the bathroom of their choice, in anonymity, for a very long time.

The shift seemed to occur when some essentially said - “we shouldn’t have to do it in anonymity, we should be able to be open about it, so we’re gonna be open about it.”

Now on the surface that sounds all well and good - “people should be able to openly be their authentic selves”.

But it appears the strategy of “I’m going to be my open and authentic self in the girl’s restroom” created more pushback than was expected.
 
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LouderVol said:
IF that last is the case, the however miniscule increase of risk to biological women is too much, it doesn't require hate of trans to want to take action to protect biological women.

the bolded is the point I was trying to drive to, I am sorry if you took insult with the way I was taking the conversation. it was not my intent. I just get tired of the lazy argument that one must hate trans people to not want them in the bathroom with biological women, and I was trying to show how/why that is with the same thinking that we need to take care of the trans members of society. we aren't that different, and most of the differences come down to a matter of preference rather than hate/bigotry.

granted hate and bigotry can be a factor for some of the preferences, but that shouldn't invalidate similar preferences because of association.
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You're correct, it doesn't require hate. What I firmly stand by, though, is there is a high level of hate being directed at the trans community. Most of it is politicians and their mouthpieces (LoTT is the worst of humanity), but it has created a horrible environment for many trans people. I'd wager most of you don't see it, but I do. Florida was one of the first places it really fired up. Respectfully, you guys don't understand what it is to be on the wrong side of hate, minus service members perhaps.
 
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gcbvol said:
No, I saw it. Your question was in regard to something I did not say or imply.
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No, my question was in regards to clarification of your position on the topic by inquiring as to why real women should cater to mentally ill men. You clarified that in different response.

My next question for you, if you don’t mind clarifying somewhat more. Which trannys are you wanting compassion for?
Those who live 24/7 as a female and make a great effort to go relatively unnoticed in society to the point they are considered “beyond passing” and most folks don’t have issues with how they live their lives because it’s not obvious,
or the dudes that believe slapping on war paint, heels and women’s clothing automatically gives them special rights to female spaces?
Both have a mental illness but only one of those is just completely bat 💩crazy, so compassion for them is rather difficult to muster up.
 
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hog88 said:
I think the vast majority of trans people don't want to be noticed as being anything other than what they portray themselves as. It's a small minority that wants to be noticed and cause problems.
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Where do you think they newly elected trans-Congressman falls?
 
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hog88 said:
I think the vast majority of trans people don't want to be noticed as being anything other than what they portray themselves as. It's a small minority that wants to be noticed and cause problems.
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For the most part probably. For those wanting to play girls sports and use girls bathrooms there needs to be harsh realization there is no win win here.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Less bombastic, and less desiring to put it in your face, than the state rep from Montana.

The new congresswoman seems very well put together, and more interested in simply working for her constituents.
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I don’t know much about them but I wonder where they stand on men in girls bathrooms, sports, child mutilation, taxpayer funded reassignment for inmates?
 
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just bob said:
Yes. Lol. She got big and built her platform by showing the psychotic crap on tiktok, which of course is very popular with the younger folks. It drew attention to what's really going on in schools.
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It seems they ones posting the content are the ones wanting to push their lifestyle...LOTT is reporting on it...now thier headlines could use some compassion ...but pointing out that a 1st grade trans teacher is gloating about talking to 1st graders about sexuality seems like a PSA . Unless they paid them to make those videos.
 
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