The Problems with Trans-ideology

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gcbvol said:
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. All I'm saying is trans folks are people deserving compassion, too. They are not the evil predators they're being made out to be. This doesn't mean I think they should share locker rooms and athletics with biological women.

I'm sure it's no shock, but I know many trans folks, mostly though LGBT nonprofits we support. I care deeply for them and have seen the impacts of lies and hate on their lives. A few have left FL the past couple of years due to the state-driven culture wars. They're an easy target, so I'm going to stand up for them when I can. Those of us accustomed to prejudice and hate should stand up for others in the same boat.
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agreed. our local Publix appears to a place that hires trans - 2 or 3 I've noticed - i'm sure it helps to not be completely alone and have others experiencing the same things to work with.
 
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gcbvol said:
And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.
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There are multiple issues and multiple people impacted, even with one particular person. I know they have been mentioned ad nauseum but Lea Thomas was forced on women, allowed into their private spaces etc. I could see how a fully intact trans person would make them very uncomfortable. I kind of see Thomas as the ultimate narcissist.

Instances of child predators seizing children are rare for sure, as are women assaulted by trans people, as are instances of crimes against trans people. But as they say one is one too many.

Sure there are bigots who simply hate trans people for being trans. But the vast majority would simply prefer everyone being discreet again and not openly calling for open and unfettered access of men to women's private spaces....... Not so much because of the normal rational trans people or there but because of the sick perverts that would abuse it.

I don't want anyone to feel marginalized or out of place. It's got be difficult to be trans person. I just want women and girls and even trans people to be and feel safe.
 
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gcbvol said:
And you've bought into the culture war ********. I didn't cry about anything, I spoke truth. Sure, there are biological women impacted by this, but not to the level your tribe is making it out to be. I am certainly concerned for those impacted.

The truth is there is a very small population of trans people, and even smaller number of trans women. We're not talking predators here. Trans women are far more likely to be victims of abuse. As has been said before, most women would never know they're sharing a restroom with a trans woman, but you'd think they're all professional athletes in wigs from the current narrative.

The only thing I want is truth and compassion for all parties. Unfortunately, that doesn't sell.
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gcbvol said:
You're correct, it doesn't require hate. What I firmly stand by, though, is there is a high level of hate being directed at the trans community. Most of it is politicians and their mouthpieces (LoTT is the worst of humanity), but it has created a horrible environment for many trans people. I'd wager most of you don't see it, but I do. Florida was one of the first places it really fired up. Respectfully, you guys don't understand what it is to be on the wrong side of hate, minus service members perhaps.
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being told to leave because of my political beliefs.
being told to leave because of my sexual preferences.
being told to leave because of my faith.
drinks thrown in my face, people yelling in my face, having my personal belongings grabbed and thrown on the ground, and broken.
having my job threatened because I didn't comply with the majority opinion.
being pushed/shoved/cursed.
plenty of hateful labels and insults thrown in my face.

I am a straight white christian cis-gendered male living and working in the most diverse and gay part of the south, in a profession that leans very liberal, and its clear my kind isn't welcome in a lot of places. I am the local minority. for a while it was about once a month something would happen. certainly wasn't everyone like that, or even a majority, but hate is not relegated to one side. probably like the hate you have likely experienced, its easy for people to lash out when you are the one off, regardless of your particular beliefs/differences are. people like to act like you are the responsible for everything that is wrong with "your kind" and act accordingly, without bothering to get to know you first. not sure I would call every instance hate, but plenty of it was.

had a relationship end because of it, it was clear I was never going to receive respect in the circles she was in even though she didn't care.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
It seems they ones posting the content are the ones wanting to push their lifestyle...LOTT is reporting on it...now thier headlines could use some compassion ...but pointing out that a 1st grade trans teacher is gloating about talking to 1st graders about sexuality seems like a PSA .
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LouderVol said:
being told to leave because of my political beliefs.
being told to leave because of my sexual preferences.
being told to leave because of my faith.
drinks thrown in my face, people yelling in my face, having my personal belongings grabbed and thrown on the ground, and broken.
having my job threatened because I didn't comply with the majority opinion.
being pushed/shoved/cursed.
plenty of hateful labels and insults thrown in my face.

I am a straight white christian cis-gendered male living and working in the most diverse and gay part of the south, in a profession that leans very liberal, and its clear my kind isn't welcome in a lot of places. I am the local minority. for a while it was about once a month something would happen. certainly wasn't everyone like that, or even a majority, but hate is not relegated to one side. probably like the hate you have likely experienced, its easy for people to lash out when you are the one off, regardless of your particular beliefs/differences are. people like to act like you are the responsible for everything that is wrong with "your kind" and act accordingly, without bothering to get to know you first. not sure I would call every instance hate, but plenty of it was.

had a relationship end because of it, it was clear I was never going to receive respect in the circles she was in even though she didn't care.
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Crucial difference is that you chose to be in those places and with those people.

It doesn't remotely compare to being a minority social class and spending a lifetime existing in a world where you are always that.
 
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gcbvol said:
I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. All I'm saying is trans folks are people deserving compassion, too. They are not the evil predators they're being made out to be. This doesn't mean I think they should share locker rooms and athletics with biological women.

I'm sure it's no shock, but I know many trans folks, mostly though LGBT nonprofits we support. I care deeply for them and have seen the impacts of lies and hate on their lives. A few have left FL the past couple of years due to the state-driven culture wars. They're an easy target, so I'm going to stand up for them when I can. Those of us accustomed to prejudice and hate should stand up for others in the same boat.
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I have compassion for Trans people too. They are very confused and surely in metal anguish.
But it is never compassionate to encourage a delusional Individual’s delusions. Offering treatment IS compassionate.
Reinforcing mental illness is actually a form of cruelty
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Crucial difference is that you chose to be in those places and with those people.

It doesn't remotely compare to being a minority social class and spending a lifetime existing in a world where you are always that.
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If by saying someone “chose” to be in those places you mean someone wished to live a normal life as a member of society, hold a job, participate in social life, dine out, and merely exist outside their house; then I guess you are correct. That would mean just about every other human who is not an absolute hermit is “choosing” the same thing.
Thanks for clarifying that for us 😉
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If by saying someone “chose” to be in those places you mean someone wished to live a normal life as a member of society, hold a job, participate in social life, dine out, and merely exist outside their house; then I guess you are correct. That would mean just about every other human who is not an absolute hermit is “choosing” the same thing.
Thanks for clarifying that for us 😉
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We're playing chess, Barbara. Not checkers.
 
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NashVol11 said:
According to Riley Gaines, right? Lol

It's allowed in plenty of places and that narrative hasn't proved accurate though. You're just regurgitating right wing fear propaganda to me like everyone else but with a mod banner
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There’s 100% examples of “that narrative” that you’re claiming “hasnt proved accurate”. You just intentionally ignore them because no number of examples would change your opinion.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
If by saying someone “chose” to be in those places you mean someone wished to live a normal life as a member of society, hold a job, participate in social life, dine out, and merely exist outside their house; then I guess you are correct. That would mean just about every other human who is not an absolute hermit is “choosing” the same thing.
Thanks for clarifying that for us 😉
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Off-the-charts lack of self-awareness here. Trans people constantly get doxxed by LOTT and get bomb threats for holding jobs as teachers, Rachel Levine holds a job as assistant HHS which normally no one cares about and she gets constant flack for holding that job as well
 
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NashVol11 said:
No reason why it would matter for one bathroom and not the other unless you buy the narrative that trans women are going to use that to rape other women in the bathroom, which again is much more about being anti-trans than "pro-woman"
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What do you not understand about women not wanting men, or men dressed up as women, in the restroom with them?

I may be misunderstanding this, but you seem to be taking the side of <1% against at least a majority of the women.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I got my dishonest right wing grifters mixed up, surely you can understand that given the proliferation of them
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Have you ever considered trying to keep even a shred of your own personal dignity? You can both maintain some level of self respect and intellectual honesty, while supporting all the same stances you have.

You don’t have to personally attack anyone who speaks against a trans person, you realize that, right?

I know this can be hard for you to accept, but sometimes members of disenfranchised communities (whatever woke phrase you wish to use to describe your saint class) aren’t saints.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Crucial difference is that you chose to be in those places and with those people.

It doesn't remotely compare to being a minority social class and spending a lifetime existing in a world where you are always that.
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public transportation, grocery stores, restaurants, and the gym? doesn't everyone chose to be in those places?

I am always the things that got me kicked out/yelled at/etc, just not everyone knows all the time, nor does everyone care all the time.

not comparing my experiences to theirs, just saying being the recipient of hate isn't a completely foreign concept to some of the rest of us, and your No-true-scotsman argument doesn't help the case either.
 
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LouderVol said:
public transportation, grocery stores, restaurants, and the gym? doesn't everyone chose to be in those places?

I am always the things that got me kicked out/yelled at/etc, just not everyone knows all the time, nor does everyone care all the time.

not comparing my experiences to theirs, just saying being the recipient of hate isn't a completely foreign concept to some of the rest of us, and your No-true-scotsman argument doesn't help the case either.
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Being a straight white male in the places you mentioned is almost always easy street.

Recognizing your privilege in lieu of complaining about the people you date or the place you work is what I'm getting at. You can get another job. You can get out of that relationship. Minority classes have little choice in how they exist.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You can get another job. You can get out of that relationship. Minority classes have little choice in how they exist.
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Help me out here. I have to be misunderstanding. Are you claiming minorities do not have the ability change jobs or to leave relationships?

What am I missing here
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Being a straight white male in the places you mentioned is almost always easy street.

Recognizing your privilege in lieu of complaining about the people you date or the place you work is what I'm getting at. You can get another job. You can get out of that relationship. Minority classes have little choice in how they exist.
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Isn't it much easier to be a straight white female in this society?

What benefits do straight white males get?

I need to sign up for them.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Off-the-charts lack of self-awareness here. Trans people constantly get doxxed by LOTT and get bomb threats for holding jobs as teachers, Rachel Levine holds a job as assistant HHS which normally no one cares about and she gets constant flack for holding that job as well
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The only people getting “doxxed” by LOTT are ones using their positions of authority to either indoctrinate or compel acceptance of beliefs most people do not accept. A trans teacher who sticks to teaching math, English, or whatever subject they are tasked with will never hear a peep of criticism. But when they begin “teaching” students that they maybe are a different gender than they currently think, usually while hiding that information from the parents; they BETTER be exposed. They have crossed a line and bypassed the sacred right of parents to oversee their children until they reach 18. And as far as “Admiral” Levine is concerned, HE is in a position to force HIS employees to affirm his delusions and to implement HIS philosophy through an entire government agency.
Threats are never acceptable; but transparency and accountability are a hallmark of a well functioning government. Exposing what govern is doing isn’t just a right; it is a duty.
 
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