The Reds Thread Part 2: Rally time

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#354
emainvol said:
Dusty Baker and Walt Jocketty
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Jocketty kind of surprises me. He had 12 solid years in st Louis. At the same time, the economics of the game left him. Still have a hard time believing he would put this on the field.

As for baker.....yeah.
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#359
vols kick balls said:
Maybe losing 2 of three to the worst team in the majors is all it will take to make Dusty play Yonder and Frazier the rest of the year. What a pathetic showing.
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How about losing 4 of 6 to the two worst teams in baseball?

Yonder and Sappelt need to platoon in LF, and Frazier needs to start at 3B every game from here on in. Period. Cairo can pinch-hit and backup anyone who needs a day off. Lewis and Heisey can be DFAed, for all I care. As far as shortstop, it's like multiplying zeroes, but Renteria seems to have heated up with the bat a bit, so ride it out until he cools off, and maybe by then Cozart is back. Once that happens:

Vs. Lefties:
Sappelt LF
Cozart SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Stubbs CF
Bruce RF
Frazier 3B
Hernandez/Hanigan C

Vs. Righties
Cozart SS
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Bruce RF
Alonso LF
Stubbs CF
Frazier 3B
Hernandez/Hanigan C


This is not rocket science, Dusty. It's just not.
 
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The only thing I don't agree with is platooning Alonso. He hit lefties very well and actually hit off them much better than he has against righties this year. I'd send Sappelt back to AAA after Heisey is off the DL so that Sappelt can get regular AB's.
 
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vols kick balls said:
The only thing I don't agree with is platooning Alonso. He hit lefties very well and actually hit off them much better than he has against righties this year. I'd send Sappelt back to AAA after Heisey is off the DL so that Sappelt can get regular AB's.
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Good point about Alonso and lefties, but I have to respectfully disagree with you about Heisey. He's had his chance, I think he's fine as a fifth outfielder/bat off the bench/possible late inning defensive replacement for Yonder, but he's nothing more than that. I'd rather have Sappelt see some MLB pitching, even if it's not as an everyday player; he has nothing left to prove in AAA, and the Reds need to know if he's going to be part of the future or not.
 
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DowntownVol said:
Good point about Alonso and lefties, but I have to respectfully disagree with you about Heisey. He's had his chance, I think he's fine as a fifth outfielder/bat off the bench/possible late inning defensive replacement for Yonder, but he's nothing more than that. I'd rather have Sappelt see some MLB pitching, even if it's not as an everyday player; he has nothing left to prove in AAA, and the Reds need to know if he's going to be part of the future or not.
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Heisey is a good 4th OF. He can play all 3 spots and him not playing everyday doesn't seem to phase him. I don't think Sappelt necessarily needs more time in AAA, I just think it would be more beneficial to him to be in AAA playing every day instead of sitting on the bench in the bigs. Seeing 5 ABs a week isn't going to help anything.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Heisey is a good 4th OF. He can play all 3 spots and him not playing everyday doesn't seem to phase him. I don't think Sappelt necessarily needs more time in AAA, I just think it would be more beneficial to him to be in AAA playing every day instead of sitting on the bench in the bigs. Seeing 5 ABs a week isn't going to help anything.
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If Alonso works out in left, I don't know that trading Stubbs isn't the way to go
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emainvol said:
If Alonso works out in left, I don't know that trading Stubbs isn't the way to go
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Therein lies the problem. Yonder can rake, no question about that, but apparently his outfield defense is on the Dunn/Manny level of pathetic. He's a 1B/DH on a NL team that has 1B pretty well locked down for a while. I'm hoping (although you never know with Walt) that he's being showcased now for an offseason deal.

I wouldn't be opposed to giving either Stubbs or Bruce some extra rest here and there and letting Yonder and Sappelt play simultaneously.
 
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#366
I could see Yonder and Stubbs as the centerpiece for an Ace in the off season. Sappelt and Frazier take over CF and LF. Still need to find a 3B but I think that would be a formidable lineup.

1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Rolen/Francisco/other
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Sappelt
LF Frazier
C Mes/Hanigan

SP- Ace acquired in offseason
SP-Cueto
SP- Bailey
SP- Leake
SP- Wood
SP/Closer- Chapman
 
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#367
vols kick balls said:
I could see Yonder and Stubbs as the centerpiece for an Ace in the off season. Sappelt and Frazier take over CF and LF. Still need to find a 3B but I think that would be a formidable lineup.

1B Votto
2B Phillips
3B Rolen/Francisco/other
SS Cozart
RF Bruce
CF Sappelt
LF Frazier
C Mes/Hanigan

SP- Ace acquired in offseason
SP-Cueto
SP- Bailey
SP- Leake
SP- Wood
SP/Closer- Chapman
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Throw in Grandal and trade 'em to the Mariners for King Felix. Championship?
 
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#369
Kendal Rogers: Didn't expect this, but was told today greater than 50% chance #Reds first-round pick Robert Stephenson goes to #Washington. #mlbdraft #MLB

****.
 
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#373
The Alonso in LF experiment is over. Now they are trying to make him into a third baseman.

Alonso done in left, on to third
4:58 pm, Aug 8, 2011 by jfay

It sounds like the Yonder Alonso experiment in left field is over and the Yonder Alonso experiment at third base is about to begin.

Asked if Alonso would play left again, Dusty Baker said: “Not in the near future.”

Alonso had a rough time of it in his three starts in the left field on the road trip. He missed played three balls and made an error.

Alonso was at Great American Ball Park early taking balls at third base. He may eventually play there, but, again, not in the near future.

“You don’t want to do it in the big leagues,” Baker said. “But that’s the position he started at. It’s an mirror image of first base really. You get more plays. Most first baseman are at first base because they’re left-handed or they don’t have the arm to play third.

“We’ll see. We’re trying to find the best place to get his bat in the lineup.”
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