The Road To Hoover

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VolsSportsFan said:
Actually all 3 ridiculous because you clearly stacked it so that only the option you like sounds smart.

Not to mention his resume doesn't even come close to Serrano's pre-UT, so what makes you think he'd be any better other than "it's something different"?
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bingo. Wright State was a well established baseball team before Lovelady took over with multiple tourney appearances and a conference title. so he held a good program steady, not sure how that shows he's better than Serrano
 
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volfanbill said:
bingo. Wright State was a well established baseball team before Lovelady took over with multiple tourney appearances and a conference title. so he held a good program steady, not sure how that shows he's better than Serrano
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I'm not here to promote Lovelady. I have no connection to him or his program. I offered him up as an example of an up-and-coming coach who brings a lot to the table. There are others out there beside him.

But for the record, Wright State has been to one regional in its history where Greg Lovelady wasn't either an assistant coach or the head coach. Considering they play in a four or five team conference, that's not much of a winning tradition.

It's pretty clear he has earned a promotion, whether here or not, I don't know. If not him, someone else.

It's also pretty clear that you don't have any constructive ideas of your own. Just take potshots at whoever anyone suggests and say they haven't taken two teams to Omaha.

I am pretty tired of hearing about what happened in California a nearly a decade ago as if it cancels out what we see with our own eyes now.

Serrano has been here for five years, has a worse conference record than Raleigh, and has the emptiest recruiting pipeline in the conference for 2017 and 2018 grads. For those recruits, Serrano's CWS appearances with Irvine and Fullerton are ancient history. For those recruits, the fact that he has been languishing in the basement of the SEC at UT since they were in Little League seems to be more relevant information about what they can expect if they sign on with him.

So I ask you again. Options A and B were designed to be ridiculous. You don't like C. What's your option D?

Because keeping Serrano is looking like the functional equivalent of Option A.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
I'm not here to promote Lovelady. I have no connection to him or his program. I offered him up as an example of an up-and-coming coach who brings a lot to the table. There are others out there beside him.

But for the record, Wright State has been to one regional in its history where Greg Lovelady wasn't either an assistant coach or the head coach. Considering they play in a four or five team conference, that's not much of a winning tradition.

It's pretty clear he has earned a promotion, whether here or not, I don't know. If not him, someone else.

It's also pretty clear that you don't have any constructive ideas of your own. Just take potshots at whoever anyone suggests and say they haven't taken two teams to Omaha.

I am pretty tired of hearing about what happened in California a nearly a decade ago as if it cancels out what we see with our own eyes now.

Serrano has been here for five years, has a worse conference record than Raleigh, and has the emptiest recruiting pipeline in the conference for 2017 and 2018 grads. For those recruits, Serrano's CWS appearances with Irvine and Fullerton are ancient history. For those recruits, the fact that he has been languishing in the basement of the SEC at UT since they were in Little League seems to be more relevant information about what they can expect if they sign on with him.

So I ask you again. Options A and B were designed to be ridiculous. You don't like C. What's your option D?

Because keeping Serrano is looking like the functional equivalent of Option A.
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lol. no, I've asked who is more pedigreed than Serrano. Your suggestions is full of holes. Sorry you're butthurt about that kind of honesty. Again, all of your suggestions are unfounded and ridiculous. There's no reason to brong them up anymore.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
To all the people who don't think we can hire anyone who can do better, I have a serious question.

Given that you think the difficulties imposed by budget, climate, and financial aid are too formidable for us to overcome, which course of action do you recommend?

A) Accept last place finishes in the SEC as normal; retain current staff; lament our fate each May when we don't have a postseason.

B) Join a conference where you think we can be competitive.

C) Hire someone who doesn't share your despair and makes a credible case that he has a plan to turn things around within the constraints he'll face.
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I don't think this is ridiculous, I think it's set up old school, the way things used to be when it was HOT in the baseball forum.


A) I'm tired. Not as in angry tired, just plain old tired. Even so, we can't accept getting to Hoover on the last weekend of the season...EVERY YEAR. But, I would point out...WE aren't either accepting it or not, UT is...They decide who goes, who stays and what is acceptable, WE have little part in it, especially in a non-revenue sport. In fact, based on phone calls to the radio station, and the poll here and other boards, there seems to be more fans that want to keep things as they are...which is surprising to me.

But, something has to change. I'm far more empathetic to coaches than most, I'd say 99% more...but if the admin is going to continue their ways, we have to change the coach, because there's no energy, and because recruiting for '17 and '18 is in the toilet due to the uncertainty. We are a pace car at the Indy 500 and we can stand on the gas 'til our foot goes numb but we're gonna get lapped...we ARE getting lapped. We didn't make it that way, we're not accepting it...anyone ever seen Dave Hart at a baseball game?


B). Under rated idea.


C.) Hire someone who understands that he's going to have to earn his resources and knows the lay of the land in terms of what is necessary to recruit against not just the SEC schools but the ACC schools too. Someone who can express to the Admin what is going to be required on every front to be successful and if they aren't willing to do it, that person should walk away and we can go get some up and comer who just wants the money. Then we're looking at 20 years of suck.

D.) The Caveat.

If the Board is not going to extend Hart, then we should keep CDS until that change is made and the Board and Boosters should insist on it.
 
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volfanbill said:
lol. no, I've asked who is more pedigreed than Serrano. Your suggestions is full of holes. Sorry you're butthurt about that kind of honesty. Again, all of your suggestions are unfounded and ridiculous. There's no reason to brong them up anymore.
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Just as I thought.

Your Option D is to make personal attacks and hope nobody notices you have no constructive ideas.

You just made my "Fools Life is Too Short to Bother With" List.
 
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I think we would win a 3-way tie with Ark, AU, and ourselves if things fall right.

From SEC Website:
2. Three-Team Tie (or more). The following procedure will be used in the following order until the tie is broken: (Note: If the three tied teams have three different records against each other, they shall be seeded in best-percentage order.) Otherwise, once the tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker procedure will be used.

A. If all three teams are common opponents: Total won-lost percentage of games played among the tied teams.

B. Won-lost percentage of the tied teams versus the No. 1 seed and proceeding through the No. 12 seed, if necessary, using common opponents only.

C. If three or more teams still are tied, the Commissioner will conduct a draw.

*We are not common opponents, so go to part B. Here is the current top seeds:
1. MSST: 19-9 (Not a common opponent for all 3 teams)
2. Texas A&M: 19-9 (Also not a common opponent)
3. Florida: 18-8 (not a common opponent)
4. USC: 18-9 (not a common opponent)
5. LSU: 17-10 (UT is 0-3, AU is 1-2, Ark is 0-3)
6. OM: 17-11 (UT is 1-2, AU is 0-3, Ark is 0-3)
7. VU: 17-12 (not a common opponent)

So if there is a 3-way tie and Ole Miss finishes ahead of LSU, we would win that tie breaker. Slim but there it is.
Ole Miss went 2-1 vs. LSU if they tie.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
Just as I thought.

Your Option D is to make personal attacks and hope nobody notices you have no constructive ideas.

You just made my "Fools Life is Too Short to Bother With" List.
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lol. that's probably a giant list. you've proven you can't hold a convo.you admitted your list was bunk, had nothing to fall back on. so you went back to it. sorry you can't answer my questions so you want to pretend I'm attacking you.
 
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volfanbill said:
lol. no, I've asked who is more pedigreed than Serrano. Your suggestions is full of holes. Sorry you're butthurt about that kind of honesty. Again, all of your suggestions are unfounded and ridiculous. There's no reason to brong them up anymore.
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Serrano quite possibly simply maintained two programs the same way you lament Loveday has. UCI and CSF are both faring very well without Serrano. Serrano himself; not so much.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Serrano quite possibly simply maintained two programs the same way you lament Loveday has. UCI and CSF are both faring very well without Serrano. Serrano himself; not so much.
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fair enough. so at best we'rewe're hiring another Serrano if we hire Loveday. well kumbaya to that
 
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Great discussion. There are other coaches who can come in and help this program. While Serrano is a quality baseball guy, maybe he's not the right guy for this program. He's not without his flaws.

If he comes back it will quite possibly be unprecedented in major college athletics. You have a coach in his fifth season who is 52 games under .500 in conference games who makes nearly 500k annually. If anyone else has ever survived that anywhere I can't remember it.
 
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FGT said:
Great discussion. There are other coaches who can come in and help this program. While Serrano is a quality baseball guy, maybe he's not the right guy for this program. He's not without his flaws.

If he comes back it will quite possibly be unprecedented in major college athletics. You have a coach in his fifth season who is 52 games under .500 in conference games who makes nearly 500k annually. If anyone else has ever survived that anywhere I can't remember it.
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what makes you think it's the manager and not something else?
 
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volfanbill said:
what makes you think it's the manager and not something else?
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He's the guy accountable for the on field results. He plays a role in recruiting, hiring staff and ultimately sets the tone and the identity of the program. Believe me when I say that I really like him. His UT teams are very gritty year in year out. I think a huge problem is that there is very little confidence in the older players inside the program. They have never won and they have never played with players who have won.
 
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volfanbill said:
fair enough. so at best we'rewe're hiring another Serrano if we hire Loveday. well kumbaya to that
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I had never heard of Loveday till 2 days ago so I won't pretend to have much of an opinion on him. He's young and he's seen winning at the highest level. At this point his resume is so thin those are perhaps the 2 biggest selling points.
 
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Jim Toman is one of the more intriguing names out there. Hell of a recruiter, that has 2 top 100 guys coming in next year to Liberty. Has won fairly well at a place of smaller magnitude and obviously has SEC experience with one of the league's standard bearers.
 
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31VFL said:
I think we would win a 3-way tie with Ark, AU, and ourselves if things fall right.

From SEC Website:
2. Three-Team Tie (or more). The following procedure will be used in the following order until the tie is broken: (Note: If the three tied teams have three different records against each other, they shall be seeded in best-percentage order.) Otherwise, once the tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker procedure will be used.

A. If all three teams are common opponents: Total won-lost percentage of games played among the tied teams.

B. Won-lost percentage of the tied teams versus the No. 1 seed and proceeding through the No. 12 seed, if necessary, using common opponents only.

C. If three or more teams still are tied, the Commissioner will conduct a draw.

*We are not common opponents, so go to part B. Here is the current top seeds:
1. MSST: 19-9 (Not a common opponent for all 3 teams)
2. Texas A&M: 19-9 (Also not a common opponent)
3. Florida: 18-8 (not a common opponent)
4. USC: 18-9 (not a common opponent)
5. LSU: 17-10 (UT is 0-3, AU is 1-2, Ark is 0-3)
6. OM: 17-11 (UT is 1-2, AU is 0-3, Ark is 0-3)
7. VU: 17-12 (not a common opponent)

So if there is a 3-way tie and Ole Miss finishes ahead of LSU, we would win that tie breaker. Slim but there it is.
Ole Miss went 2-1 vs. LSU if they tie.
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Thanks 31!
 
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Vandy is currently tied with Ole Miss for 7th in the SEC at 17-12. OM plays A&M and if they lose and Vandy loses today, Vandy would win the tie breaker as the highest ranked common opponent is Carolina and OM lost all 3 to them.

So, win or lose it may not make any difference if Vandy wins or loses today, in the conference and/or nationally. What are the chances Vandy says screw you Tennessee and plays a bunch of subs today, pitches a few guys with virtually no innings this year, in a round about way throws the game? With that said, Vandy's subs are probably better than Auburn's starters so it may not make a difference one way or another.

Providing we win today, our chances of advancement will be determined by the team that probably hates us the most....
 
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OldTimer said:
What are the chances Vandy says screw you Tennessee and plays a bunch of subs today, pitches a few guys with virtually no innings this year, in a round about way throws the game? With that said, Vandy's subs are probably better than Auburn's starters so it may not make a difference one way or another.
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0%.

Vandy is pitching Kyle Wright. They are playing to win.

You need them to win either way, because you need Auburn to lose.
 
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Vandy's also hoping to host a regional, and every win helps that cause. They aren't going to tank it just to stick it to Tennessee.

Even if they did rest starters, it would be with an eye towards the NCAAs, not to mess with UT. I can guarantee you Corbin doesn't think like that.
 
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Cox on the bump today, hope he flushes the troubles of late and pulls one more solid start out of his arm today.....
 
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Diamond Dore said:
Vandy's also hoping to host a regional, and every win helps that cause. They aren't going to tank it just to stick it to Tennessee.

Even if they did rest starters, it would be with an eye towards the NCAAs, not to mess with UT. I can guarantee you Corbin doesn't think like that.
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Yep

Vandy needs a win today
 
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