The Road To The 2010-11 SEC Title Runs Through Lexington.

#127
#127
For crying out loud...

So if Tennessee won the next 30 out of 35 SEC championships, along with several Final Fours and a couple of National Titles, you would still be satisfied with winning the SEC Championship? You know good and well the shine of that accomplishment would severly diminish. Say in year 36, UT won the SEC Championship but lost in the first round of the NCAAT....you know good and well we'd say that was a disappointing year.
 
#131
#131
hatvol96 said:
Cal's last five years are Elite 8, Elite 8, NCAA Finals, Sweet 16, Elite Eight. Kentucky has owned the SEC since basketball began being played in the league. Exactly who in the SEC do they owe respect?
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Are we talking about Cal or Kentucky? Kentucky is far and away the best program in the SEC and has owned the conference for many years---still do in many ways. However, they owe respect to all conference teams. Just because most of their tradition was built when no one else in the conference valued basketball and was built by a racist coach doesn't mean they can disrespect anyone. Cal has done a good job every where he has been, but to come to the SEC and say conference championships mean nothing is arrogance. How many national championship banners belong to Cal---zero. Until he wins something other than conference championships, he has no right to declare them as having no meaning. Just because you are successful doesn't give you the right not to respect others.
 
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#132
BasketvolsFan said:
Are we talking about Cal or Kentucky? Kentucky is far and away the best program in the SEC and has owned the conference for many years---still do in many ways. However, they owe respect to all conference teams. Just because most of their tradition was built when no one else in the conference valued basketball and was built by a racist coach doesn't mean they can disrespect anyone. Cal has done a good job every where he has been, but to come to the SEC and say conference championships mean nothing is arrogance. How many national championship banners belong to Cal---zero. Until he wins something other than conference championships, he has no right to declare them as having no meaning. Just because you are successful doesn't give you the right not to respect others.
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The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide would be great, but since our corporate office is located in the South East United States, lets just focus on winning the battle here instead. Regional domination is our goal people."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.


Its just how life is at the top of the food chain. Cal isn't interested in not hurting the feelings of fans from other programs. He said the perfect thing in the eyes of the crazy blue goggled UK fanbase, that UK is at the top of that food chain and they are playing for keeps. It doesn't matter how many titles the man has, because the statement is about HIM. Its about the University of Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't fired coaches over the last 10years because they failed to win SEC titles.
 
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#133
Hardwood_fanatic said:
The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide would be great, but since our corporate office is located in the South East United States, lets just focus on winning the battle here instead. Regional domination is our goal people."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.


Its just how life is at the top of the food chain. Cal isn't interested in not hurting the feelings of fans from other programs. He said the perfect thing in the eyes of the crazy blue goggled UK fanbase, that UK is at the top of that food chain and they are playing for keeps. It doesn't matter how many titles the man has, because the statement is about HIM. Its about the University of Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't fired coaches over the last 10years because they failed to win SEC titles.
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I fully understand that KY wants to make the NCAA every year and at least challenge for a possible NC. However, you get your status by winning SEC championships. Your NCAA seed is based a great deal on winning the conference championship, so to say it has no meaning is absurd. Unfortunately, the statement is about HIM more than UK. I know it fired up the crowd, but he is making himself to be more than he is. I have great respect for the UK program and the SEC needs KY to be good every year, but I have little respect for your coach.
 
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#134
lylsmorr said:
I don't think that was the point, WV
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The "who" part has nothing to do with what Pearl said -- he didn't question the morality or integrity of any KY player.

The "how" part is what Pearl was talking about, but using Ramar Smith as a comparison with respect to that topic is the mystery.
 
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#135
golfballs03 said:
Kentucky had the roster of a bad NBA team last year and look how far it got them.
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To be fair, they did pretty well. The best team doesn't always win the National Championship*.

*Not that I think UK was the best team. But they were certainly one of a handful.
 
#137
#137
Wise-Vol said:
I suppose Pearl would say that the SEC title always runs through Lexington. But, based on what I see, it will be a much harder run for Kentucky this season than last.
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He recently said that it runs through Gainesville next year. Not sure if I agree with that, though. I wouldn't name any of the three teams as prohibitive favorites next year.
 
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#138
hatvol96 said:
It's not arrogance. It's a mission statement. Kentucky and John both have plenty of conference titles on their respective resumes. As it is at Kansas, Carolina, Duke, UCLA, and a few other places, it's about Final Fours and National Championships. If Kevin Stallings said it, that's arrogance. The head coach at Kentucky saying it, that's truth.
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Neither Coach K nor Roy Williams would say winning the ACC was meaningless. Self wouldn't say winning the Big 12 was meaningless. Calhoun wouldn't say winning the Big East was meaningless.*

*Because I don't wish to put words in Calipari's mouth, please insert "or make a statement where this was implicit" after each instance of "meaningless".
 
#139
#139
Hardwood_fanatic said:
The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide would be great, but since our corporate office is located in the South East United States, lets just focus on winning the battle here instead. Regional domination is our goal people."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.


Its just how life is at the top of the food chain. Cal isn't interested in not hurting the feelings of fans from other programs. He said the perfect thing in the eyes of the crazy blue goggled UK fanbase, that UK is at the top of that food chain and they are playing for keeps. It doesn't matter how many titles the man has, because the statement is about HIM. Its about the University of Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't fired coaches over the last 10years because they failed to win SEC titles.
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The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide is our goal. To that end, we should disregard dominating the market in the South East United States -- even though that is the place of our corporate roots and still an integral part of our consumer market -- and focus our attention strictly on growth in other regions. World wide growth is the word, people. The South East is small potatoes, and we double dog dare any of our competitors to supplant us as the big dog in the region."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.

Strawman arguments work both ways.
 
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#141
kidbourbon said:
The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide is our goal. To that end, we should disregard dominating the market in the South East United States -- even though that is the place of our corporate roots and still an integral part of our consumer market -- and focus our attention strictly on growth in other regions. World wide growth is the word, people. The South East is small potatoes, and we double dog dare any of our competitors to supplant us as the big dog in the region."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.

Strawman arguments work both ways.
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I couldn't have stated it better. Only difference is Walmart does have experience at world-wide dominance while Cal is lucky to have those conference championships.
 
#142
#142
So hatvol's opinion of the conference next year is that the men's bball SEC title runs through Lexington?

What next? A bold prediction about the women's bball SEC title running through Knoxville?

SEC Football title running through Tuscaloosa???

Gymnastics through Athens???????

Swimming through Auburn????????????????????????

When can we expect these edgy predictions? I got a hundy burning a hole in my wallet and Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!!!
 
#143
#143
kidbourbon said:
Strawman arguments work both ways.
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Of course they do. Otherwise, 90% of the people on this forum would have nothing to say.


Before everyone goes nuts over it, my post is not an argument or mission statement for the Calipari regime. I'm just stating how many people view it, especially in this crazy state. For the most part, can agree with what he says. However, I do like SEC titles. They are a decent measuring stick for national rankings and such.
 
#144
#144
kidbourbon said:
Neither Coach K nor Roy Williams would say winning the ACC was meaningless. Self wouldn't say winning the Big 12 was meaningless. Calhoun wouldn't say winning the Big East was meaningless.*

*Because I don't wish to put words in Calipari's mouth, please insert "or make a statement where this was implicit" after each instance of "meaningless".
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Those are all better conferences though. I doubt UCLA (at least in a pretty good year for them) really cares about winning the Pac 10...
 
#145
#145
Any school that doesn't care about winning their conference needs to move on to another conference where winning means something.
 
#146
#146
kidbourbon said:
The CEO of Walmart walks into a board meeting and says the following:

"Opening stores and dominating world wide is our goal. To that end, we should disregard dominating the market in the South East United States -- even though that is the place of our corporate roots and still an integral part of our consumer market -- and focus our attention strictly on growth in other regions. World wide growth is the word, people. The South East is small potatoes, and we double dog dare any of our competitors to supplant us as the big dog in the region."

Q. What happens to this CEO?

A) Receives huge round of applause
B) Receives a few claps and some strange looks
C) Is holding a cardboard box full of his belongings while being escorted down the hallway to his car.

Strawman arguments work both ways.
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At Wal Mart and Kentucky, local dominance is assumed. A coach who acts as if winning the SEC is some grand accomplishment should be at Mississippi State, not Kentucky.
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#147
#147
hatvol96 said:
How's that controlled chaos/trashball style you slurpers all loved coming along? You guys should be furious. If your hero had stayed true to his philosophy, I'm sure UT would be making room in the case for the 'AA hardware about right now.
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I picked this specious argument apart a month ago. I suppose it was missed because your arrogant ass put me on ignore a long time ago when your arguments weren't having the effect you'd like.

Anyway, winning the SEC is an accomplishment. Even at storied Kentucky, they put the banners in the rafters and every yokel north of Jellico shows up for the SEC Tournament. So, there is some value in winning the conference. However, I don't think anyone would seriously argue it replaces anything accomplished within the NCAA Tournament.
 
#148
#148
hatvol96 said:
At Wal Mart and Kentucky, local dominance is assumed. A coach who acts as if winning the SEC is some grand accomplishment should be at Mississippi State, not Kentucky.
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SEC-E Champions:
2006 -- UT
2007 -- Florida
2008 -- UT
2009 -- UT/USC
2010 -- Kentucky

I'm not sure who Walmart's main competition is in the Southeast, or whether dominance over those competitors can simply be assumed in perpetuity.

But Kentucky certainly doesn't appear to have a stranglehold on the local market share. Perhaps local dominance by the Big Blue is an unwise assumption.
 
#149
#149
To be fair, they did can the coaches unable to provide the dominance.

But the point was, they want Final Fours. Even if the SEC East isn't just theirs, it's still not how they measure success and they won't aim for it.
 
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