The rotation?

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bleedingTNorange said:
It's hard for a big man to really have that effect on the team and I'm not saying he's a 6th man what I'm saying is he's better off the bench than starting. You had stated people aren't usually more effective off the bench in saying some are. Another player for you would be Brian Williams last year became much better when coming off the bench. I don't have an explanation that is just the way that some guys are.
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We don't have to agree I just think players are the same whether they start or not. Teams change more than players IMO. Its more of a change of pace thing to turn up the intensity. I understand your point and know that it is widely excepted.
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#27
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zjcvols said:
Golden 30 min/Richardson 10 min
Tatum 25 min/McBee 10 min/McRae 5min
Richardson 15 min/McRae 15 min/Woolridge 10 min
Stokes 25 min/Hall 15 min
Maymon 30 min/Hall 10 min
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That's exactly how I see it being except I think you swapped tatum and Richardson by accident
 
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BruinVol said:
We don't have to agree I just think players are the same whether they start or not. Teams change more than players IMO. Its more of a change of pace thing to turn up the intensity. I understand your point and know that it is widely excepted.
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Do you remember Brian Williams here?
 
#29
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bleedingTNorange said:
No. Yemi's minutes are gone to stokes those minutes aren't available anymore. How many minutes would you like maymon stokes hall to each play? They only play 2 positions that's 80 minutes divided by 3 players is about 26 minutes. Stokes and maymon require more than this for how dominant they can be so hall losing a couple minutes.
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I would like to see(its to late to go and figure it out tonight) what the minute breakdown has been since Miller left the rotation. Here's my guess.

Maymon 27min
Hall 25min
RW 20min
Yemi 8min


Going forward I see it heading this way.

JM 27min
Hall/Stokes 22min
RW 9min
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BruinVol said:
I would like to see(its to late to go and figure it out tonight) what the minute breakdown has been since Miller left the rotation. Here's my guess.

Maymon 27min
Hall 25min
RW 20min
Yemi 8min


Going forward I see it heading this way.

JM 27min
Hall/Stokes 22min
RW 9min
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IMO stokes deserves a lot more than 22 minutes, you realize that he had almost that many minutes tonight? I think if stokes is conditioned enough then he requires a minimum of 28 minutes as well as maymon. That leaves 24 for hall, which I feel is fair, obviously if there is foul trouble then well need someone to come in.
 
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BruinVol said:
As I have said I understand your point and I know that it is widely accepted as being true but I don't choose to accept it.
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So if you don't accept it what is your reasoning as to why certain players play better coming off the bench? Or do you just consider it a fluke incident and a coincidence?
 
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#33
If you want to get Woolridge some minutes which I am fine with as I believe he is deserving then you take some away from cam.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So if you don't accept it what is your reasoning as to why certain players play better coming off the bench? Or do you just consider it a fluke incident and a coincidence?
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I believe that is largely based on perception. Hall has played great since coming off the bench. I claim he will do just the same if inserted back into the starting lineup because he has learned to play with confidence and without fear. I don't buy that sitting on the bench for 4min before coming in magically gives him that.
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BruinVol said:
I believe that is largely based on perception. Hall has played great since coming off the bench. I claim he will do just the same if inserted back into the starting lineup because he has learned to play with confidence and without fear. I don't buy that sitting on the bench for 4min before coming in magically gives him that.
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So your reasoning for Williams last year?
 
#37
#37
BruinVol said:
RW may get his shot at the 3 with Tatum playing the back up pt spot.
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Tatum will NEVER e the back up point are you being serious right now? Tatum plays sf Woolridge may push him for minutes at sf, simple as that.
 
#38
#38
bleedingTNorange said:
So your reasoning for Williams last year?
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Williams was a very inconsistent player. Sure he was good some as a 6th guy but he damn sure sucked in the role some as well. Inconsistent players usually aren't starters on good teams. That isn't because they are good off the bench its because they are inconsistent. Which is exactly what described BW.
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BruinVol said:
Tatum played a lot of the PT position today. Did you watch the game?
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Yes and you clearly didn't. There was 1 reason he did our back up pg was in foul trouble and on the bench. Richardson wasn't out there it was mcbee McRae tatum as your guards. Anytime Richardson was out there and golden wasnt Richardson handled the ball, tatum never handled it while Richardson was out there. The only reason tatum played that position was like I said out pg on the bench and our back up pg on the bench therefore he's a third string pg.

DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?
 
#42
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BruinVol said:
Williams was a very inconsistent player. Sure he was good some as a 6th guy but he damn sure sucked in the role some as well. Inconsistent players usually aren't starters on good teams. That isn't because they are good off the bench its because they are inconsistent. Which is exactly what described BW.
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Actually when he started coming off the ench he averaged a double double and was one of our most consistent players. Guess you weren't watching the games.
 
#44
#44
bleedingTNorange said:
Yes and you clearly didn't. There was 1 reason he did our back up pg was in foul trouble and on the bench. Richardson wasn't out there it was mcbee McRae tatum as your guards. Anytime Richardson was out there and golden wasnt Richardson handled the ball, tatum never handled it while Richardson was out there. The only reason tatum played that position was like I said out pg on the bench and our back up pg on the bench therefore he's a third string pg.

DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?
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Comical answer for a guy that a few post earlier said that CT was a SF period.

Tatum played a great deal of minutes at pt and its entirely possible that he continues to do that in the future which might allow RW to play some SF.

I am dead against RW playing the SF because I think it will disrupt the productivity of the only role he has ever played with success.

If CT does play some minutes at the PT then his minutes at the SF position should go to JM. IMO
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BruinVol said:
Comical answer for a guy that a few post earlier said that CT was a SF period.

Tatum played a great deal of minutes at pt and its entirely possible that he continues to do that in the future which might allow RW to play some SF.

I am dead against RW playing the SF because I think it will disrupt the productivity of the only role he has ever played with success.

If CT does play some minutes at the PT then his minutes at the SF position should go to JM. IMO
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Just because he brought the ball up a couple times because our 2 PG were on the bench doesn't make him a pg. first of all he handled it and then passed to mcbee to run the offense so mcbee is our pg too? Better yet, by your genius theory maymon brought the ball up the court too so he is now also a pg? There's your answer play maymon at the point that could be our answer right there.
 
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BruinVol said:
Comical answer for a guy that a few post earlier said that CT was a SF period.

Tatum played a great deal of minutes at pt and its entirely possible that he continues to do that in the future which might allow RW to play some SF.

I am dead against RW playing the SF because I think it will disrupt the productivity of the only role he has ever played with success.

If CT does play some minutes at the PT then his minutes at the SF position should go to JM. IMO
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And your the moron that suggested an option of ccm benching stokes the entire year, or another option of him getting 8 minutes a game and wanted to argue saying he shouldn't play more than that. How the hell does that look now? Oh yeah you retracted your statements and created new options because you realized you clearly were wrong. NOW THAT IS COMICAL!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Just because he brought the ball up a couple times because our 2 PG were on the bench doesn't make him a pg. first of all he handled it and then passed to mcbee to run the offense so mcbee is our pg too? Better yet, by your genius theory maymon brought the ball up the court too so he is now also a pg? There's your answer play maymon at the point that could be our answer right there.
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So its entirely possible to have 5 guys on the floor and none of them play the pt position?

You might be close to inventing a new approach. BB 101 by the Great Bleeding Orange.
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#48
#48
bleedingTNorange said:
Just because he brought the ball up a couple times because our 2 PG were on the bench doesn't make him a pg. first of all he handled it and then passed to mcbee to run the offense so mcbee is our pg too? Better yet, by your genius theory maymon brought the ball up the court too so he is now also a pg? There's your answer play maymon at the point that could be our answer right there.
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And he didn't play a great deal of minutes at the point you bafoon, he played less than 10 there.
 
#49
#49
bleedingTNorange said:
And your the moron that suggested an option of ccm benching stokes the entire year, or another option of him getting 8 minutes a game and wanted to argue saying he shouldn't play more than that. How the hell does that look now? Oh yeah you retracted your statements and created new options because you realized you clearly were wrong. NOW THAT IS COMICAL!
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Show me that option that said to bench him the entire year. Add some colorful name calling why you are at it.
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#50
#50
BruinVol said:
So its entirely possible to have 5 guys on the floor and none of them play the pt position?

You might be close to inventing a new approach. BB 101 by the Great Bleeding Orange.
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No more read what I said. Tatum brought it up but handed it to mcbee and mcbee ran our offense as the pg. ct brought it up the floor as the pg, maymon also brought it up the floor like a pg. what I'm saying if your looking purely at position ct didn't play pg you idiot he brought the ball up the court and mcbee was our pg. if you knew anything about basketball you'd know this by seeing who has the ball at the too of they key and is setting things up and calling plays that was mcbee. Another way to see who the pg is is by seeing who guards the opposing of, that was also mcbee. Here's a question lebron James brings the ball up the court 99% of the time is he the pg or is Mario chalmers? That's what I thought.
 
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