the sec misses cbp

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UT IE 95 said:
Some of you could learn something from DeCourcy. I think he's a tool but he was just inducted into the BWA Hall of Fame.
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DeCourcy is a solid writer. He's wrong on this though.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well hell yeah I think Pearl is a better coach than CCM. How can that even be argued? CCM may eventually become a better coach, and I cedrtainly hope he does, but he has a long way to go to accomplish what CBP has.
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no that is completely fine i just wanted to be clear on understanding your stance. i will say i am far more impressed in the short time with coach martins development and xo coaching than pearls. also the fact that martin pulled stokes from memphis is something that pearl could never do, now we just need to see the results from martin. pearl was a hell of a motivator and could sell anything he wanted to anybody, he was just that way. i do not however think he was that good of an actual coach and i think that started to show more and more towards the end of his tenure here.

note: thats not me bashing pearl because i realize everything he has done so please dont start asking about attendance and the pratt pavillion and standing on lunch tables. pearl got us to a point that is much higher than we were before, now use him for where he got us and cut all ties.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
no that is completely fine i just wanted to be clear on understanding your stance. i will say i am far more impressed in the short time with coach martins development and xo coaching than pearls. also the fact that martin pulled stokes from memphis is something that pearl could never do, now we just need to see the results from martin. pearl was a hell of a motivator and could sell anything he wanted to anybody, he was just that way. i do not however think he was that good of an actual coach and i think that started to show more and more towards the end of his tenure here.

note: thats not me bashing pearl because i realize everything he has done so please dont start asking about attendance and the pratt pavillion and standing on lunch tables. pearl got us to a point that is much higher than we were before, now use him for where he got us and cut all ties.
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Well, ok beside attendance, let's talk about his coaching hardware.

Div 2 National Championship runner up
Div 2 National Championship
Horizon league tourny championship
Horizon league regular season championship twice
SEC regular season championship
SEC Coach of the year twice
Horizon League coach of the year 3 times
Adolph Rupp National Coach of the year
Sporting News National Coach of the Year
Basketball Times National Coach of the Year
CBS Sportsline National Coach of the Year
Naismith National Coach of the year finalist
6th fastest coach in history to win 400 games

Yeah, probably not that good of a coach.. your right
 
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zjcvols said:
Yeah, and hiring an AD that actually cared about basketball actually did a lot for that. Doug Dickey gave dick about basketball. And it showed.

What the hell does the last part have to do with anything?
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What does Dickey have anything at all to do with you comparing Pearl to Green?

The last part was all mighty you continuously bashing Pearl on just about every single thread. You seem to be the main drive in all the Pearl / Martin debates on here. There is a very large number of people that was upset that Pearl left the way he did. There are a lot of people that like him. There are not that many people that are anti Martin. I'm sure am not. I hope he succeeds here and is our coach for the next 20 years. But your constant negativity towards Pearl always upsets a certain group of people and every single thread is taken over by the Pearl / Martin crap. So what Pearl did was tell a lie. He's will pay for it the rest of his life. You have done the same thing. So get off your hypocriticle high horse and quit high jacking ever single thread.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Well, ok beside attendance, let's talk about his coaching hardware.

Div 2 National Championship runner up
Div 2 National Championship
Horizon league tourny championship
Horizon league regular season championship twice
SEC regular season championship
SEC Coach of the year twice
Horizon League coach of the year 3 times
Adolph Rupp National Coach of the year
Sporting News National Coach of the Year
Basketball Times National Coach of the Year
CBS Sportsline National Coach of the Year
Naismith National Coach of the year finalist
6th fastest coach in history to win 400 games

Yeah, probably not that good of a coach.. your right
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IN MY OPINION, I think you can attribute much of pearls success to things besides xo coaching. When I said he wasn't that good of a coach I'm referring to xo not overall coach because yes there are other things you can do well as a coach. Let's see was he a good recruiter well yes he had proved himself to be able to get some flashy highly rated players. Could this be attributed to the fact the he had clearly been breaking rules for many years well yea there is a strong possibility of it. As I have already said he was a hell of a motivator I won't argue that with you at all, but that only will get you so far as he found out. As far as developing and evaluating players I'm gonna say no more than he was horrible and that's putting it nicely. As far as all the hardware you are referring to one big thing is most of the coach of the year crap you have is from the same year and just from different endorsers. It's not like he won it 12 different years like you are trying to make it sound like. The other thing that you are clearly missing is that the whole 400 victory things is a bit dillusional. He is the only coach to start at d2 and get a huge chunk of his wins at that level so it's a big deceiving that stat. By the way he won the national coach of the year, the one that is known around sports as the one 1 time not multiple times like you tried to make it appear.

Once again I will say I liked Bruce and what he did for the university in a positive manner I am very grateful for, but he also hurt himself and the university which was solely his own damn fault. If he had done things like most all the other coaches in the country do he would still be here and we wouldnt be having this conversation at all. You keep venturing from the original question to back up your boy so I'm gonna try to get things back on topic.

What you are saying is that you had the confidence in coach pearl that with the team he WOULD have had here that he would have done a better job than ccm is right now. Not the same team ccm has because pearl wouldn't have this same team so remember that. That is the topic of conversation here, not whether or not coach pearl is a better coach than Martin.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
IN MY OPINION, I think you can attribute much of pearls success to things besides xo coaching. When I said he wasn't that good of a coach I'm referring to xo not overall coach because yes there are other things you can do well as a coach. Let's see was he a good recruiter well yes he had proved himself to be able to get some flashy highly rated players. Could this be attributed to the fact the he had clearly been breaking rules for many years well yea there is a strong possibility of it. As I have already said he was a hell of a motivator I won't argue that with you at all, but that only will get you so far as he found out. As far as developing and evaluating players I'm gonna say no more than he was horrible and that's putting it nicely. As far as all the hardware you are referring to one big thing is most of the coach of the year crap you have is from the same year and just from different endorsers. It's not like he won it 12 different years like you are trying to make it sound like. The other thing that you are clearly missing is that the whole 400 victory things is a bit dillusional. He is the only coach to start at d2 and get a huge chunk of his wins at that level so it's a big deceiving that stat. By the way he won the national coach of the year, the one that is known around sports as the one 1 time not multiple times like you tried to make it appear.

Once again I will say I liked Bruce and what he did for the university in a positive manner I am very grateful for, but he also hurt himself and the university which was solely his own damn fault. If he had done things like most all the other coaches in the country do he would still be here and we wouldnt be having this conversation at all. You keep venturing from the original question to back up your boy so I'm gonna try to get things back on topic.

What you are saying is that you had the confidence in coach pearl that with the team he WOULD have had here that he would have done a better job than ccm is right now. Not the same team ccm has because pearl wouldn't have this same team so remember that. That is the topic of conversation here, not whether or not coach pearl is a better coach than Martin.
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I didn't at all try to make it look as Pearl had done more than he has. Just listed what I found, plain and simple. All the Coach of the year honors are from one year, but just to win one is a huge accomplishment, but still get the so what no big deal attitude. 400 wins can't be delusional cause he still won 20+ games every single year except 2 (1st year at MW and last year) as Div II head coach. He did win I think 5 conference coach of the year as Div 1 coach.

Back on topic. My first post said that if he was able to recruit (everyone knows that he couldn't - please don't start the same crap over) then he would win with the players on this team and what ever he could bring in with Ware. Based on Pearl's history of bringing players in on the spring and Hopson staying, we would have had a solid team.
 
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#82
johnnybravo said:
I didn't at all try to make it look as Pearl had done more than he has. Just listed what I found, plain and simple. All the Coach of the year honors are from one year, but just to win one is a huge accomplishment, but still get the so what no big deal attitude. 400 wins can't be delusional cause he still won 20+ games every single year except 2 (1st year at MW and last year) as Div II head coach. He did win I think 5 conference coach of the year as Div 1 coach.

Back on topic. My first post said that if he was able to recruit (everyone knows that he couldn't - please don't start the same crap over) then he would win with the players on this team and what ever he could bring in with Ware. Based on Pearl's history of bringing players in on the spring and Hopson staying, we would have had a solid team.
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yes you are correct IF pearl could have recruited then yes i definitely think that he would have another solid year, and would be playing in march. all we were pretty much saying is can you imagine what he would have been left with had he been allowed to stay that was all. i am with you on he'd make the tourney this year if he could have been recruiting, but he couldnt. it was just a hypothetical conversation that some of us were having thats all it wasnt meant to turn into a pearl bash like it seems most things do. i dont look to bash pearl because as ive said i truely am grateful for everything he has done for the university and put us in a position to still compete after he is gone.
 
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johnnybravo said:
What does Dickey have anything at all to do with you comparing Pearl to Green?

The last part was all mighty you continuously bashing Pearl on just about every single thread. You seem to be the main drive in all the Pearl / Martin debates on here. There is a very large number of people that was upset that Pearl left the way he did. There are a lot of people that like him. There are not that many people that are anti Martin. I'm sure am not. I hope he succeeds here and is our coach for the next 20 years. But your constant negativity towards Pearl always upsets a certain group of people and every single thread is taken over by the Pearl / Martin crap. So what Pearl did was tell a lie. He's will pay for it the rest of his life. You have done the same thing. So get off your hypocriticle high horse and quit high jacking ever single thread.
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Nice to see you are making up stuff. Let's, since the season started, there has been...one Pearl/Martin debate, with some trolling after the Memphis one, and then, oh yes, this is a thread about Bruce Pearl. So, no, you are just making stuff up. Nice try.
 
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johnnybravo said:
What does Dickey have anything at all to do with you comparing Pearl to Green?

The last part was all mighty you continuously bashing Pearl on just about every single thread. You seem to be the main drive in all the Pearl / Martin debates on here. There is a very large number of people that was upset that Pearl left the way he did. There are a lot of people that like him. There are not that many people that are anti Martin. I'm sure am not. I hope he succeeds here and is our coach for the next 20 years. But your constant negativity towards Pearl always upsets a certain group of people and every single thread is taken over by the Pearl / Martin crap. So what Pearl did was tell a lie. He's will pay for it the rest of his life. You have done the same thing. So get off your hypocriticle high horse and quit high jacking ever single thread.
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solid
 
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zjcvols said:
No, it isn't. It's completely made up crap.

But, hey, you're a troll, so I wouldn't expect anything less than from you.
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I'm not a troll, like bravo I am tired of you slurpers blowing smoke up martin and constantly running Pearl down.
 
#87
#87
Doesn't matter if Pearl was treated unfairly, won more games, blah blah blah..who cares??? He's gone, Martin is coach now. Nobody on the face of the earth can do anything about it now. Either embrace it or STFU and find another team to root for because the constant referencing to Pearl is ridiculous.
 
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knowthevols said:
I'm not a troll, like bravo I am tired of you slurpers blowing smoke up martin and constantly running Pearl down.
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Like you constantly run down Martin? Please. Such hypocrisy. If you are tired of it, you can leave. It's not hard. That little red x in the right hand corner is available.
 
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#89
I miss him. Doubt the rest of the SEC misses a guy who led the team with most wins in the conference over the past 6 years.
 
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#90
I sure as hell wouldn't miss cal if heft sometime sooner rather than later. I for one can't stand the man but that I besides the point. Having to compete and recruit against them year in and year out is obnoxious, favoring the sec shows them(scheduling this year) is nothing short of disgusting. My rant is over just figured that's somewhat how uk fans felt now about pearl gone, doubt they miss him.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Once again, his players never really got any better. Is it really that hard to understand.
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Chism got better. His stats don't refelect it so much, but anyone that has ever played/watched basketball any at all could see the improvement in his game. Bobby Maze got much better from the first year he was there to his second, especially in clutch situations as did JP Prince. CJ Watson was a completely different player after spending one year with Pearl.

Don't take this as me being one who thinks Pearl should still be here. After what happened I am glad he's gone and he's never coming back. That doesn't mean I can't have a positive opinion of his time here. He is a good coach and anyone that says differently hasn't got a clue.

Martin's a keeper and I am glad we've got him. We've been pretty lucky with our last two hires
 
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#92
#92
zjcvols said:
Nice to see you are making up stuff. Let's, since the season started, there has been...one Pearl/Martin debate, with some trolling after the Memphis one, and then, oh yes, this is a thread about Bruce Pearl. So, no, you are just making stuff up. Nice try.
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I haven't made anything up. YOU are the one that is in the middle of every single Pearl/Martin debate. We can't even talk about a recruit in a thread without throwing a slur at Pearl that gets the ball rolling.

Now let's talk about making stuff up. YOU made up and said several times that McCrae was leaving. I gave you a link that said the opposite that he will be back under Pearl. So sir what you have done is lied. Same thing as Pearl. I call that a HYPOCRITE.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I haven't made anything up. YOU are the one that is in the middle of every single Pearl/Martin debate. We can't even talk about a recruit in a thread without throwing a slur at Pearl that gets the ball rolling.

Now let's talk about making stuff up. YOU made up and said several times that McCrae was leaving. I gave you a link that said the opposite that he will be back under Pearl. So sir what you have done is lied. Same thing as Pearl. I call that a HYPOCRITE.
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That's complete bull. Tell me what recruiting threads have been derailed. I'll be waiting.

I did not. I did not say McRae was going to leave. I said that he was thinking about it and he was. Did he say "I'm going back to UT 100%"? NO. He said he was planning on it, which means nothing since Bruce had not been fired yet.
 
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2ironVol said:
Chism got better. His stats don't refelect it so much, but anyone that has ever played/watched basketball any at all could see the improvement in his game. Bobby Maze got much better from the first year he was there to his second, especially in clutch situations as did JP Prince. CJ Watson was a completely different player after spending one year with Pearl.

Don't take this as me being one who thinks Pearl should still be here. After what happened I am glad he's gone and he's never coming back. That doesn't mean I can't have a positive opinion of his time here. He is a good coach and anyone that says differently hasn't got a clue.

Martin's a keeper and I am glad we've got him. We've been pretty lucky with our last two hires
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I think player development was still an issue while he was here.

He did a very good job at UT. My issue is that he almost ruined the whole thing and I'm glad he is gone.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's complete bull. Tell me what recruiting threads have been derailed. I'll be waiting.

I did not. I did not say McRae was going to leave. I said that he was thinking about it and he was. Did he say "I'm going back to UT 100%"? NO. He said he was planning on it, which means nothing since Bruce had not been fired yet.
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Preaching to the chior. Sounds like a Hypocritical Southern Baptist to me.

Show me where he was thinking about it Liar. Your new nick name is Pearl.
 
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#98
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johnnybravo said:
Are you a moron? Seriously? Where in the thread does it say that McCrae was going to leave if Pearl stayed?
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What thread? I gave you a link that McRae was thinking about transferring. That's what you wanted. And I believe McRae was thinking about transferring even if Pearl had stayed (which is my opinion, though I think others would agree with me) and have stated that was my opinion. McRae was thinking about transferring. You called me out. I provided a link.

Now, what about these recruiting threads that have been derailed?
 
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#99
If my teams are winning I cannot figure our why I should care one bit about player development. That's a Fulmersexual stance.
 
#100
#100
"Guys, I know Florida just pounded our faces in, again, but do not let it get you down, we'll have a lot of draft pickz come April."
 
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