The shut down thread

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AM64 said:
If a kid claims rights under DACA, you immediately deport the parents with no chance of ever coming back. We need to end the anchor baby thing, too. The kids are citizens of the county the parents belong to; they are exported with the parents, or the parents are denied entry into the US forever ... their choice. Parents should have to offer proof of citizenship to complete a birth certificate; if not citizens, the birth certificate states the kid is not a citizen.
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I absolutely agree anchor babies need to go. We’re one of the few western countries left with unqualified birthright citizenship.

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AM64 said:
The way you put a crimp in the tunnel thing is to mine them. Don't announce a find - just mine it, then when you detect use set it off. Word gets around and it's scary thinking you might be the one who set it all off. Since most people aren't suicide bombers, life threatening deterrents with no warning tend to work.
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Billions in drug money flow across the border. You really don't think drug Lord's won't and don't have their own monitoring? Plus smart drug Lord's would have desperate families using the tunnel for free as defacto mine sweepers. Imagine the press when the first US mine blows up 100 kids.

Mexico could pay for a border wall by allowing immigrants to take interest bearing citizenship loans that would in turn offer them work visas good only if the loans are in good standing and they are tax payers. Once the loans are paid you are a citizen. The average immigrant could pay a 10 year 20,000 loan. That's 207 month at 4.5%.

Open supply lower demand of other alternatives.

Estimates are there are 12 million immigrants. If you got 30% on this plan paying 200 per month that's 700 million. A month.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think everyone would agree that we have an immigration problem, but how does it rise to the level of a National Emergency if it's been going on for decades, and in fact is better now than it has been in 20 plus years? He would lose that argument in court, I believe.
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It was determined years ago that SS was in trouble. When was the best time to fix it ... or perhaps never to have started it?

If your water heater begins to leak and it takes a couple of days for you to notice, do you declare it's not an emergency because it went on for a few days before you saw the damage? If you don't own the place and an intransigent landlord delays the fix and incurs more damage, that;s on him (as long as you can secure your stuff). Congress and government bureaucracies are intransigent and frequently incompetent, but in a sense we own them and they are supposed to do what's right for us ... in this case it's our country - not theirs. Time to kick some congressional butt.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The only reason I own my AR's is simply because I really enjoy watching small pieces of brass fly through the air. Lots of them at one time.

Really, that's it. I swear...
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BS. You like the noise it makes, too. First time I fired an M16 (basic and AIT were M14), I was looking for the made by Mattel label, so it's not the feeling of real power when you fire an AR.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I understand that. But I've been seeing more and more tweets of people out in Cali saying make sure you know who you buy your drugs from and know what your getting. From what I saw something as simple as marijuana is being laced with fentanyl and killing people.
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Sounds like a really effective war on drugs. Kill the addicts.
 
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DD4ME said:
No idea what you mean. I flipped a quote back that dismissed the concept that a wall would not stop people from coming in. You took me flipping the quote back as some hard line dismissal of my own and I provided you a quote of the president where it is implied a "border wall" will allow us to only let people in legally.


Here is my actual stance

This wall is a convienent deflection of problems at home. The same can be said of the nationalist rhetoric creeping in around the globe.

Historically we have seen that nationalistic agenda's rarely aid growth or propserity and more frequently lead to conflict

The premise of shutting down the government to bolster our national security while putting the workers involved into that security in distracted states at home and professionally is IMO the least effective approach possible.

If you want to curb illegal immigration give them more viable ways to immigrate naturally, the same as many of your ancestors that came by the boatload and we're vehemently despised upon their arrival.

If you want to curb drugs and guns along the border then reform our stance on them

Supply and demand says tunnels under a wall will still be the easiest entry points if supply is high.
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What are you going to do legalize fentanyl??


If we have a wall we can look for tunnels constantly. It will slow everything down for our border agents.
 
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Welp. Look at the bottom of CNN. Was running while Trump was talking. Pelosi looks like a dumbazz. I only see Trump trying at this point.
 

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
What are you going to do legalize fentanyl??


If we have a wall we can look for tunnels constantly. It will slow everything down for our border agents.
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Lol how can you take what I said and leap to fentanyl legalization? Simple economics says that cheap to produce Fentanyl which is infinitely more potent allows would increase within a restricted supply line not the opposite.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I'm still kicking it ...13 years, she knows...lol. Tell her she's my hero. 😊
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I will, and thanks. I really wish she'd retire, but then .... I guess she's at least finally quit going to school. She started out as an RN with a diploma, then a BSN ... MBA ... MSN, and I hope her DNP was finally enough. She teaches nursing part time, too. Good thing for lidocaine patches and Celebrex; I don't think many people appreciate the toll nursing takes on the body.
 
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AM64 said:
I will, and thanks. I really wish she'd retire, but then .... I guess she's at least finally quit going to school. She started out as an RN with a diploma, then a BSN ... MBA ... MSN, and I hope her DNP was finally enough. She teaches nursing part time, too. Good thing for lidocaine patches and Celebrex; I don't think many people appreciate the toll nursing takes on the body.
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Back when I was single, I had a couple of young nurses take a toll on my body.
 
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AM64 said:
I will, and thanks. I really wish she'd retire, but then .... I guess she's at least finally quit going to school. She started out as an RN with a diploma, then a BSN ... MBA ... MSN, and I hope her DNP was finally enough. She teaches nursing part time, too. Good thing for lidocaine patches and Celebrex; I don't think many people appreciate the toll nursing takes on the body.
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It does, when you have 4 nurses for an 815 lb pt its ridiculous. I've gotten hurt several times both unintentionally and intentionally. I'm seriously considering computers...lol.
 
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So I'm guessing this proposal today will accomplish nothing, and unless something/anything else comes up, the shutdown will continue at least up until sometime this week at least, if not longer.

Looks like those 800,000 federal workers that where either furloughed and told to stay home or that are working but not getting paid will also more then likely miss a second paycheck now.

Looks like aside from a second missed paycheck within the next week or so, the next major impact will be on or most likely starting the Monday after January 25th.

Federal courts in Maine have money for an extra week

Federal judiciary says money won’t run out just yet

The Federal courts will have enough money to operate through January 25th. After that though, a number of employees at the various Federal Courts will either be furloughed, or in the case of many workers right now, will have to work without pay. Not sure of the exact numbers, but this will probably impact thousands of employees at least.
 
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They should have forgotten the whole DACA extension and Trump should drag the GOP into the OA and bash their heads into drafting actual legislation to give them a path to citizenship. I am assuming that most of these kids are taking the opportunity to use the time to get citizenship established but real legislation to protect them would be more meaningful.
 
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