The shut down thread

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Weezer said:
IMO, a wall is as misguided as the Maginot line was. The French were convinced they had solved their problem with Germany. All it did was spur Hitler to find another way.

That said, I think both political parties are acting irrational over the wall debate and the govt shutdown. Our country is in need of serious immigration reform. We do need to find a way to better secure our borders. It's a problem that won't be solved by petty bickering, which seems to be the only thing Dems and GOPers are good at.
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At this point it is about scoring a political win, nothing more. Trump couldn't care less about border security, it is about feeding his own petty narcissism and ego. Same with Nancy and Chuck.
No one in Washington gives a damn about border security or immigration reform. It is about "owning" the other side.
 
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DC_Vol said:
So we should stop looking for the tunnels. They’ll just build more. We’ll never be able to find them all. And even if we did, then what?

I think we should extend this to the police and their radar guns. I’m tird of getting speeding tickets. They can never stop everybody. Why even try??
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Having to rebuild tunnels is a drain on the cartels. Having to maintain a wall is a drain on our government(and therefore the taxpayers).
 
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zeppelin128 said:
At this point it is about scoring a political win, nothing more. Trump couldn't care less about border security, it is about feeding his own petty narcissism and ego. Same with Nancy and Chuck.
No one in Washington gives a damn about border security or immigration reform. It is about "owning" the other side.
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All politics is about "owning" the other side.
 
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Weezer said:
How much is the wall estimated to cost to build? How much will it cost to maintain? Factor that into how effective will it be? Is the cost worth it? Not in my opinion.
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I can’t speak for everyone, but my “Wall” is enhanced border security throughout.
 
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I propose we set up a bus system that takes immigrants from the southern border and transports them to Canada.
 
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Weezer said:
How much is the wall estimated to cost to build? How much will it cost to maintain? Factor that into how effective will it be? Is the cost worth it? Not in my opinion.
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So its allabout money? Why? The US wastes hundreds of billions of dollars every year. I hate that fact but its a fact none the less. Trump told a glorious lie when he said Mexico will pay for it. I knew that wouldnt happen but thats the politics of becomIng a president.

Money isnt an issue. We just print money out of thin air and will continue to do so. As for the effectiveness, how can you say a bigger, stronger barrier wont be more effective than what we have now. Luther said the "experts" have said that barriers work and thats why politicians have had them erected. If thats the case, and the barriers we have. Now work, then how could superior barriers be less effective? Sorry but that makes zero sense.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So its allabout money? Why? The US wastes hundreds of billions of dollars every year. I hate that fact but its a fact none the less. Trump told a glorious lie when he said Mexico will pay for it. I knew that wouldnt happen but thats the politics of becomIng a president.

Money isnt an issue. We just print money out of thin air and will continue to do so. As for the effectiveness, how can you say a bigger, stronger barrier wont be more effective than what we have now. Luther said the "experts" have said that barriers work and thats why politicians have had them erected. If thats the case, and the barriers we have. Now work, then how could superior barriers be less effective? Sorry but that makes zero sense.
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Not all about cost. Mostly about how effective will it be and is the coat worth that. I don't think the wall will be effective, so we're throwing away money needlessly.

My opposition to the wall is not political. It has nothing to do with it being a Trump proposal. It has everything to do with me thinking it will be a colossal failure. If I truly believed it would be effective, I'd support it, but I don't. It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
 
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Odd that there was no ultimatum. I expected one. Maybe it went back-channel, or maybe Trump figured this speech would give him the edge when / if he had to declare it a national emergency and order the wall through EO.

So Trump offers an olive branch, albeit a small one. Dem machine rejected it before it was offered.

Both sides entrenched. Something has to give, and soon. I figure by Friday the checkmate is broken. If Dems won't budge, he declares the emergency. If they do, he has to give them enough for both sides to claim victory.

The main issue here is the egos of Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer. Doesn't bode well for an amicable agreement. McConnell was the key player in the last big shutdown, but he has been noticeably quiet through this one.

Dangerous game. Burning down the house to decide who gets to pick the curtains.
 
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Weezer said:
Not all about cost. Mostly about how effective will it be and is the coat worth that. I don't think the wall will be effective, so we're throwing away money needlessly.

My opposition to the wall is not political. It has nothing to do with it being a Trump proposal. It has everything to do with me thinking it will be a colossal failure. If I truly believed it would be effective, I'd support it, but I don't. It's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
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Again, how can a stronger barrier be less effective? I fail to see the logic.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How so you know its going to be ineffective? How do you know it wont be a much better deterrent than the crappy stuff we have now?
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How do I know definitively? I don't, but you can't say definitively that it will work. We both have opinions.
 
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Weezer said:
Not less effective, but ineffective. Ways will be found around it, or under it, or through it.
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Every law on the books is “ineffective” then. Your opinion is based on hypotheticals but the fact is it will be a much tougher task for illegals to get here. Keeping more from getting in imo will make it easier to get the ones here out. Of course that task is made tougher by libtard politicians in libtard states. I think I heard someone say today that the dims should love their country more than they hate Trump. That’s all it is, just sheer hatred for the president who has done more in 2 years than their messiah did in 8.
 
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Weezer said:
How do I know definitively? I don't, but you can't say definitively that it will work. We both have opinions.
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Agreed. But wouldnt logic dictate that stronger borders would be more effective than weaker ones? I mean whats harder to climb over or through, a regular fence or a concrete wall?
 
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Of course, Mexico could do its job of policing the cartels and adding military to stop the drug smuggling.

Who am I kidding? There's a better chance of me going vegan.
 
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Weezer said:
How much is the wall estimated to cost to build? How much will it cost to maintain? Factor that into how effective will it be? Is the cost worth it? Not in my opinion.
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Thats a 2000 mile border. We have a wall or fence already on 1300 miles of that border from when Schumer and Pelosi voted yes for it in 2006 and 2013. So the maintenance you are so worried about of steel just standing there is already there on 1300 miles. That leaves 700 miles without. I think 3 to 400 of it doesn't need a wall from the geography and topography of the land. So that leaves 300 miles of wall left needed that the Democrats are fighting against because it's Trump.


You hear build that wall. The truth is the 5B Trump wants would actually build walls in 4 different locations not just one long solid wall that equals something like 169 miles of wall.
 
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AshG said:
Of course, Mexico could do its job of policing the cartels and adding military to stop the drug smuggling.

Who am I kidding? There's a better chance of me going vegan.
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Never really thought of that. Mexico should do its part. But the cartels probably have quite a few Mexican LEOs on the payroll.
 
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evillawyer said:
Too funny

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I don't see it as funny. The ball is in the democrats court at this point .

Pretty sh!tty for schumer to walk out and hold up pictures of federal workers not working mocking the Angel Families that was up there holding up their deceased loves ones pictures that has been killed or murdered by illegal aliens.
 
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