The shut down thread

[Hunerwadel]

Trump's shutdown trap?

Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Trump is not a critical enough thinker for something like that. He's more of a checkers novice in a chess game.

 

[DC_Vol]

As dumb as Trump appears, if I were pulling his puppet strings - I may not let him in on the secret. That said, I'm not sold on collusion per se - but it is fun watching the red hats squirm when it gets dropped. Also, you keep talking about what people have "proven" without accepting that the game isn't over. Generally, the evidence is presented at trials - not in DancingOutlaws court of public opinion.

Says the guy posting “Tick Tock” replies. You’re fully bought in and are heading the way of VolProf.

It’s my favorite storyline of the VN Politics forum.

 

[Velo Vol]

Opinion | Trump's shutdown gamble hinges on a wall many Republicans never wanted

The White House’s March 2017 request for $7.5 billion in spending for border security initiatives, including $4 billion to be allocated to wall-related planning, construction, and legal costs related to the reclamation of private land, generated little support among Republicans. In late April 2017, the Wall Street Journal surveyed border state lawmakers from both parties and found that “not a single member of the House or Senate representing the region expressed support for the funding request.” They noted, however, that Sen. Ted Cruz “backs the overall idea of a wall,” but would not commit to support Trump’s specific request. A few months later, USA Today Network polled all 534 lawmakers in both the House and the Senate and found that just 69 of 292 Republicans — one-quarter of the GOP conference — supported Trump’s request for $1.6 billion to begin wall construction.

Republicans spent the summer of Trump’s first year in office avoiding a vote on funding for the wall. By Labor Day, the GOP’s strategy to keep the government open and pass tax reform legislation meant pushing the border security debate into the next year. “We have to deal with Harvey, we have the debt ceiling, we have a continuing resolution, which will be just about a three-month continuing resolution,” then-Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in September 2017. “So you will deal with the wall a little later in the year.”

They didn’t.

 

[Velo Vol]

You’re fully bought in and are heading the way of VolProf.

Did he get banned? Or just leave?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Opinion | Trump's shutdown gamble hinges on a wall many Republicans never wanted

So then there should be plenty of democrats and republicans to pass a veto proof spending bill to reopen the government. And we can quit pretending Trump holds all the power.

 

[DC_Vol]

Did he get banned? Or just leave?

I figured if anyone would know it was you. He treated you like a disciple.

 

[Septic]

Says the guy posting “Tick Tock” replies. You’re fully bought in and are heading the way of VolProf.

It’s my favorite storyline of the VN Politics forum.

I see that you have SDS and are no longer capable of rational thought. Sad. I held out hope that the red hat wouldn't claim any more victims.

Tick Tock.

 

[Septic]

I live rent free in my slaves head. I love it. I just need to figure out how to get your b**** buddy to serve me beer in here.

Heh. Normally I loathe bullies, but when it comes to you I have this strange fascination at watching you claim victory between gasps for air as I cram your head into the toilet and flush.

 

[Velo Vol]

And we can quit pretending Trump holds all the power.

Who does? He couldn't even get the wall through the GOP congress.

 

[tumscalcium]

Heh. Normally I loathe bullies, but when it comes to you I have this strange fascination at watching you claim victory between gasps for air as I cram your head into the toilet and flush.

28 hours and still crying.

 

[Septic]

28 hours and still crying.

 

[General Jack]

Trump is not a critical enough thinker for something like that. He's more of a checkers novice in a chess game.

I think his level of planning can be summed up best with the following gif:

 

[Septic]

I think his level of planning can be summed up best with the following gif:

Makes you wonder what will happen when the "crisis" is real and not manufactured.

 

[C-south]

Makes you wonder what will happen when the "crisis" is real and not manufactured.

The hypocrisy in this post almost made me lose my breath.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

As dumb as Trump appears, if I were pulling his puppet strings - I may not let him in on the secret. That said, I'm not sold on collusion per se - but it is fun watching the red hats squirm when it gets dropped. Also, you keep talking about what people have "proven" without accepting that the game isn't over. Generally, the evidence is presented at trials - not in DancingOutlaws court of public opinion.

If he’s too stupid to collude, how could he be involved?

I just want someone to pick a lane. Either he’s a shrewd conspirator that is colluding with Russian and so thoroughly covered his tracks the FBI’s top man and a host of investigators have yet to prove it, or he’s an idiot too stupid to involve in the collusion.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

If he’s too stupid to collude, how could he be involved?

I just want someone to pick a lane. Either he’s a shrewd conspirator that is colluding with Russian and so thoroughly covered his tracks the FBI’s top man and a host of investigators have yet to prove it, or he’s an idiot too stupid to involve in the collusion.

It's neither. This is a made up smear campaign that is basically a steel pipe being placed in gears to grind everything to a halt.

 

[jvol1]

The warnings are getting starker: Trump's government shutdown is becoming catastrophic for the economy

Zero GDP? Negative GDP? 800,000 out of work. He's putting it all on the line for something that's of marginal benefit to the country at best.

 

[Septic]

If he’s too stupid to collude, how could he be involved?

I just want someone to pick a lane. Either he’s a shrewd conspirator that is colluding with Russian and so thoroughly covered his tracks the FBI’s top man and a host of investigators have yet to prove it, or he’s an idiot too stupid to involve in the collusion.

I think it's entirely plausible that there are shenanigans afoot. If so, it's probable that the men behind the curtain don't and rightfully wouldn't burden or rely on trump to do any heavy lifting. Simply being himself is plenty to keep the world destabilized.

 

[Septic]

The warnings are getting starker: Trump's government shutdown is becoming catastrophic for the economy

Zero GDP? Negative GDP? 800,000 out of work. He's putting it all on the line for something that's of marginal benefit to the country at best.

The tariffs called and said they were here first.

 

[McDad]

The warnings are getting starker: Trump's government shutdown is becoming catastrophic for the economy

Zero GDP? Negative GDP? 800,000 out of work. He's putting it all on the line for something that's of marginal benefit to the country at best.

The scare tactics are in full effect.

 

[Septic]

The hypocrisy in this post almost made me lose my breath.

Keep reading it.

 

[McDad]

Keep reading it.

Succinct and clever.

 

[jvol1]

The scare tactics are in full effect.

You think shutting down the government won't impact the economy? It's kind of a foregone conclusion.

 

[McDad]

You think shutting down the government won't impact the economy? It's kind of a foregone conclusion.

I do not.
I believe our economy works in spite of, not because of, government. I further believe that a partial shutdown will not be a meaningful impact to the economy.

 

[jvol1]

The tariffs called and said they were here first.

The tariffs are just bad policy, completely oblivious to the difference in the standard of living in China and the US even with all they export(ed) to us. There's nothing marginal about it.