The sissification and emasculation of the American male

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Jxn Vol said:
Not having a daddy in the home that could potentially opt for a spanking for misbehavior is working wonders in Chicago.
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Hitting children isn't the answer to the problems. Why not go back to smacking the little lady around when she got out of line. Divorce rates were lower.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Hitting children isn't the answer to the problems. Why not go back to smacking the little lady around when she got out of line. Divorce rates were lower.
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Spanking is not hitting. But I see you trying to brand it that way. Again, not having a strong father in the home handling his business is working great in Chicago and other areas like it.

Not spanking isn’t the answer either obviously
 
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LouderVol said:
I do wish this country had a list of qualifications to be considered an adult. A right of passage. Make it a list of like 10 things, and you have to do 7 of them or something. maybe the minimum number required changes based on age, starting at 16.

1. work in the service/customer service industry with direct interaction with the public. For some set time, month minimum
2. get in a real fight, observed or maybe administered by the government.
3. Go a month with only 1 meal a day, certain number of calories, and only water to drink.
4. Go a month without technology.
5. work on a farm/food production, the actual production side of it. for some set time, month minimum
6. work as a volunteer at a hospital/retirement home/orphanage/animal shelter, for some set time, month minimum.
7. work as a volunteer helping clean up or deal with a natural disasters, or work as a repair person in a state/national park, for some set time.
8. work pretty much any "Dirty Jobs" for a month
9. go through some "life classes", like learning to cook, clean, do taxes, learn at least one "handy" skill, grow your own food.
10. be forced to live a couple months on a set budget in a government operated facility.
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I got 8 out of 10
 
#130
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Jxn Vol said:
Spanking is not hitting. But I see you trying to brand it that way. Again, not having a strong father in the home handling his business is working great in Chicago and other areas like it.

Not spanking isn’t the answer either obviously
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Time out or "think time" is the answer, kids really remember that harsh punishment.
 
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hog88 said:
Spanking shouldn't be the first option in disciplining a kid and should never be done while angry but IMO it's highly effective in child rearing.
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I support spanking. When I was a kid, the worst thing you could do to me was ground me from watching my cartoons (which, ironically, are now considered too violent). I would have preferred a spanking.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Hitting kids ain't the answer.
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But, but, the Bible says if you spare the rod, you spoil the child. :)

Seriously, I agree, but here's why. I've seen parents haul off and whack a kid's face for talking back or uttering a profanity. The kids' heads snapped back, making me marvel their necks didn't break. I've seen kids hit so hard, they literally flipped mid air. That's hitting. In my day, I got my azz paddled, or had a switch applied, or got a single whop on the butt. It worked, well, usually, OK, more often than not. To me, that's not hitting.

Then social workers (govmit) got involved to the point kids can now divorce parents or have them jailed almost to the point of it happening if you so much as pat the kid on the head and said, "Good job, kid."
 
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Weezer said:
I support spanking. When I was a kid, the worst thing you could do to me was ground me from watching my cartoons (which, ironically, are now considered too violent). I would have preferred a spanking.
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We only had 2 tv channels and no electronics so my parents didn't have that in their arsenal. So it was down to spanking or taking the dirt bike, but then I had to get to practice or games so 99% of the time spanking was the go to. In middle/high school they usually gave you a choice between paddling or detention, always took the licks.
 
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Zues1 said:
So a fat guy at Cracker Barrel eating four biscuits while you're consuming fried chicken bothers you. Why do you care?

Why are you talking about something else?
Why did you bring fat people into the discussion of the sissification of the American male?
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The individual doesn't bother me. I am not judging the person, or disgusted by them, or anything like that. I give the individual the benefit of the doubt every time, bc I don't know what their habits are, or their genetic challenges. Like I said, that overweight individual might actually be in decent health, depending on habits.

I am concerned for the general health of the population. That is my approach.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
As a single 20 something, I view the cost of divorce as ridiculous and excessive. I have worked hard in my life and exerted a fair amount of discipline to reach the position I currently find myself in. Tell me how to significantly lessen the blow in the event of a failed marriage and I’m down to seek out matrimony. Of particular interest to me is keeping complete ownership and equity in my house and my 401k and Roth IRA not being plundered, which would result in a loss of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars in compound interest.
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My $.02...

Marriage is tough. Relationships and learning to be married are not easy or automatic. You're around the same person all the time. If you seek it, your mind will tell you what you think you want. If you let yourself find it, it will hit you like a freight train and you will feel it inside. But, you must always understand there will be disagreements and arguments, so go with a like minded person for the strongest long term bond. And discuss and accept upfront that it is a true commitment, and not an as long as we love each other term limit. My wife and I have been through hell and back. We are opposites. I'm laid back and think things through. She's volatile and off the cuff. But, we compliment each others strengths and weaknesses. It also makes for some explosive moments. But, we are together because we have never broken the bond. We would leave each other before we would cheat on each other. It's just a thing. Admittedlly, I have been accused on more than one occasion, but it has never happened. That is the one area of marriage you have control over. Things don't just happen and it didn't mean anything. You always have a pre-determined choice not to put yourself in a comprimising position. My first wife was a cheater. I would never allow myself to bring that feeling on another person, nor would my personal commitments allow me to do such anyway.
 
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Weezer said:
I support spanking. When I was a kid, the worst thing you could do to me was ground me from watching my cartoons (which, ironically, are now considered too violent). I would have preferred a spanking.
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Everybody is different. I was like you. I just didn't want to get grounded. Some kids are not like that and will not grow up to be cool with it.

As a parent, I don't feel bad if I raise my voice if the situation calls for it, unless I did it out of anger. Makes me feel like **** every time. I can't imagine how it'd make me feel spanking my little girl in anger, which is why I decided I wouldn't spank at all. Sometimes it would be easier to spank but glad I don't. I don't judge anybody who does, but be careful bc your kids may remember it forever.
 
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LouderVol said:
I do wish this country had a list of qualifications to be considered an adult. A right of passage. Make it a list of like 10 things, and you have to do 7 of them or something. maybe the minimum number required changes based on age, starting at 16.

1. work in the service/customer service industry with direct interaction with the public. For some set time, month minimum
2. get in a real fight, observed or maybe administered by the government.
3. Go a month with only 1 meal a day, certain number of calories, and only water to drink.
4. Go a month without technology.
5. work on a farm/food production, the actual production side of it. for some set time, month minimum
6. work as a volunteer at a hospital/retirement home/orphanage/animal shelter, for some set time, month minimum.
7. work as a volunteer helping clean up or deal with a natural disasters, or work as a repair person in a state/national park, for some set time.
8. work pretty much any "Dirty Jobs" for a month
9. go through some "life classes", like learning to cook, clean, do taxes, learn at least one "handy" skill, grow your own food.
10. be forced to live a couple months on a set budget in a government operated facility.
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I am a small government guy, as i think you are bud...but these experiences would definitely make for better citizens and humans.

The public school system sans home ec classes, shop class at most schools etc does very little to prepare kids for life as an adult these days IMO. You touched on a subject rarely mentioned but perhaps the most important of the above: personal finance. Budgeting. If a person cannot live within their means then they are gonna wreck their lives and often those around them (unlike our gov, which laughs at silly things like budgets).

In a perfect world, and in days past here...parents would and should teach their kids all of these practical things. Clearly that is not happening though. I would argue that in most cases knowing these practical things about how to be a responsible adult and a good neighbor are waaaaay more important than the "teaching to the end of grade test" knowledge that is rammed into kids heads now.

GO VOLS. V, B
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Quite literally the stupidest thing I have ever read on this board.
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Really? If you don’t know the difference then what you just said is one of the stupidest things I have seen.

Again, the lack of discipline by a strong father in the home is working wonders in urban Chicago.
 
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#147
Jxn Vol said:
Really? If you don’t know the difference then what you just said is one of the stupidest things I have seen.

Again, the lack of discipline by a strong father in the home is working wonders in urban Chicago.
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Show me how to spank a child without hitting the child.

Discipline can be administered without hitting a child. The fact you believe violence is the answer in child rearing says a lot about your personality.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Show me how to spank a child without hitting the child.

Discipline can be administered without hitting a child. The fact you believe violence is the answer in child rearing says a lot about your personality.
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My dad used a belt or a switch. I only had to spank my kids a handful of times before they figured out what was expected of them. Now they are great well mannered teens.

The fact that you seem to value your Opinion over others and think this opinion is superior to the point of being judgmental says a lot about your personality.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
My dad used a belt or a switch. I only had to spank my kids a handful of times before they figured out what was expected of them. Now they are great well mannered teens.

The fact that you seem to value your Opinion over others and think this opinion is superior to the point of being judgmental says a lot about your personality.
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We're on a website where we argue over our opinions and you have a problem with that? Sorry not sorry.

I am glad you passed down your family tradition where grown men hit children. My kid is 20, well mannered and is in college. Didn't have to beat her to get there.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
But, but, the Bible says if you spare the rod, you spoil the child. :)

Seriously, I agree, but here's why. I've seen parents haul off and whack a kid's face for talking back or uttering a profanity. The kids' heads snapped back, making me marvel their necks didn't break. I've seen kids hit so hard, they literally flipped mid air. That's hitting. In my day, I got my azz paddled, or had a switch applied, or got a single whop on the butt. It worked, well, usually, OK, more often than not. To me, that's not hitting.

Then social workers (govmit) got involved to the point kids can now divorce parents or have them jailed almost to the point of it happening if you so much as pat the kid on the head and said, "Good job, kid."
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It's troubling that you cannot figure out how to discipline a child without hitting them.
 
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