The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

#2,976
#2,976
PeterNincompoop said:
What are your thoughts on how Green Beret veteran Nate Boyer is the one who sat down with Kaep and suggested he take a knee, rather than sitting, so as to not be disrespectful?
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What are your thouvhts on the black servicemen and women who have Youtube videos posted who agree with me?

What are your views on Pence stealing the show when he walked out of the game after the Manning jersey retirement ceremony?

I've seen all kinds of posts trashing Pence for that and his speech.

I really don't care what some other vets -young, old, which war- think about sitting, keeling, staying in tbe tunnel, whatever.

The flag and anthem ceremony is by its very nature a solemn ceremony that, not the least of which for many, is the rememberance of our fellow soldiers who we were with as they died on the battlefield. Its especially poignant for me as I have also held them when they died and had to tag and bag as much as we could find for graves registration to send home to mom and dad for a closed casket funeral.

Every time, every single time these 45 years after Vietnam that the flag flys as the anthem is sung, I remember. Many times tears flow.

There are millions of us who believe "stealing the show" needlessly subverts the meaning of the ceremony and is disrespecting of those dead heros who died for our freedom.

Virtually any other venue that does not "steal the show" would have been acceptable. H3ll, gather enough of these dudes in one place and they can make their own show, AND REACH MORE PEOPLE whose hearts and minds will accept their message.

Keep spitting on my fallen comradeslike what you have to say is more important? ...I won't listen to one full sentence before I turn away.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't know if HE is a racist. I do know cultivated that portion of his base to get elected. My main issues with him is that he is a petty little man that cannot ignore any slight no matter how small. I find him borish and unfit to be president.

I was pleased when he reached across the aisle to accomplish a debt deal. He needs to do it more often. The right seeks to justify every petty tweet as a calculated move and the left seeks to read more into each tweet and comment than is there, but they are not as defensible as the right suggests nor as objectionable as the left makes them. As with most things the truth is somewhere in the middle.

However, Trump's middle is somewhere between not defensible and really objectionable. Not a good look in my mind.
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the left has cultivated racism for decades.
 
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#2,979
Wow, this has become one strange world. So, Goodell's wife thinks starting a war with Trump is going to work out. That's an interesting concept.

Roger Goodell Has a Secret Defender on Twitter: His Wife - WSJ

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LSU-SIU said:
:good!:

I don't know, if you get a kick out of this, but whenever someone asks me whether I voted (I don't vote) for Trump -- I usually go well, "are you telling me I should vote for the Diaper Wearer?" I've had a few just stare at me like a light bulb went off.
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suuuuuure.
 
#2,983
#2,983
That is what I don't get - its really about the intent. I mean I have the U.S. flag on a cup, its displayed the wrong way. So?

Its really the posting of that stuff without context that is being rejected. imo If you think acting like a child is going to help -- go for it. Also, it appears that its an intent on race baiting - which to me is racist. imo
 
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n_huffhines said:
Even if it's not made from a flag it's a violation of flag code. You know what's not a violation of flag code? Kneeling.

Veteran uses U.S. Flag Code to defend NFL players kneeling during the National Anthem | 9news.com
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Well, no.

171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

And while it’s a violation of the code to wear an actual US flag as clothing or apparel, something patterned after the flag is different.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Well, no.

171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

And while it’s a violation of the code to wear an actual US flag as clothing or apparel, something patterned after the flag is different.
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'scuse me, what I meant to say is it's not part of the "respect for flag" portion of flag code.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
If that is actually a flag that’s a ****ty thing to do. And a violation of the flag code.
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Whether or not it's a flag, who cares?

Symbolism is as dangerous as it is stupid.

What does matter is how the typical "ERMAGERD DA FLERG!" crowd reacts based on who does this kind of stuff. Kid Rock's been wearing **** like that for years and the current crowd of NFL boycotters haven't said ****. Women have been wearing flag printed bikinis and they haven't said ****. John Daly has been wearing his outfits and no one has said ****. Budweiser has been putting it on their sixers for years and they haven't said ****. The flag has been displayed flat across the football field (when it's supposed to be displayed vertically, if my homework checks out) and they haven't said ****.

All the sudden, these people of color who apparently should be 'grateful' for being good at what they do are disrespectful because of what they're doing.

I think they're just reacting to our idiot POTUS being bored on twitter and making a dickturd of himself. I don't believe it's for equality in most of their cases. MY beef is with the hypocritical symbolism retards who take issue with this while letting the flag be pimped out for marketing purposes, or flat out disrespected without saying a word.
 
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Just pull the anti-trust exemption, local/state residents can elected to start pulling the welfare payments to these walking rocks and their slave owners, police protection can stop coming to the game, federal government should stop all ads and cooperation including fly overs.

The players can kneel, sit, hide in the toilet all they want, the people can elect to not watch it or pay for it, and boycott the sponsors, and any other protest they want.

It would seems like that is the answer to everyone's problem is fairly simple.
 
#3,000
#3,000
It just sounds like to me everyone knows where everyone else is at, let everyone fight it out. Pull tax dollars, anti-trust exemption, boycott sponsors, etc. - fan based protest/boycotts don't have to run through NFLPA.


Not Much to Lose
- Current Players: By the time this fiasco plays out financially, most of these players won't be in the league. Now their pension could be hit, so that is what they are risking.

With a little more to Lose
- Sponsors: The current sponsors probably won't be quite effected as the NFL but they are already paying too much for the ads anyway, no chance they are getting what they paid for. Also, the blowback could hurt them in sales and future sales.
- Cable/TV providers: They have already overpaid under the existing contracts, this will hurt them more but some of the contracts they can't escape. ESPN was already suffering (good), this will not help - will probably help in cord cutting continuing.

Most to Lose
- NFL/Owners: Financially the trend was bad, now its significantly worse, so chances are they take a huge hit -- it was going to happen anyway but now the numbers are going to have to be adjusted way down. If local/state governments start pulling funding than the league could be fatally wounded. If the federal government pulls the anti-trust exemption, than the league itself will probably not exist as it does today - this would be the worse case.
- Young-future players: Their future checks are going to have to go down as the amount of revenue was already projected to go down drastically, this basically puts the nail in the coffin for them increasing share. Their future is based on the NFL, if the NFL goes, they go with it.

Most to Gain:
- Boycotting fans/taxpayer: Really this doesn't hurt them other than they now have more free time, that's a plus. Furthermore, if this continues to escalate they could start getting their tax funds back. Also, this means less money spent on TV and possible on sponsors products. Win-win for boycotting fans.
 
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