The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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AirVol said:
Look, he wears gloves. These guys today couldn't play back in those days. They have heaters and cooling misting fans on the sidelines. The old days, they were much tougher.
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Any of those teams playing the 2017 Cleveland Browns would lose approximately 75-0.
 
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Those defensive lines would get blown off the line of scrimmage on every single play by today’s “less tough” players. Their 250-pound offensive linemen would get dominated too
 
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NashVol11 said:
Those defensive lines would get blown off the line of scrimmage on every single play by today’s “less tough” players. Their 250-pound offensive linemen would get dominated too
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Even if they were tougher back in the day, toughness is not everything. Rudy was the toughest dude around and he didn't even belong on a college squad.
 
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VolStrom said:
So what you're saying is that men aren't any better towards women now than they ever were?
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I'm saying there is absolutely no valid reason to believe NFL players in the 1960's respected women more than NFL players today do. You can point to anecdotal evidence, like Ray Rice, but I think cultural norms are a much better indication of what is actually going on, on average.

Ray Rice didn't do what he did in the public eye. Joe Namath asked a woman to kiss him on national TV, because that's the life he lived openly in the 70's.
 
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NashVol11 said:
No, it doesn’t. Let them rough up receivers all they want, the players today will still be much bigger, stronger, and faster. 75 might be too conservative
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It does depend on what rules the used. Think about it.

Can todays O-linemen block without their hands?
Can the Cleveland QB today call plays without the headset in his helmet?
How many hits can the today Cleveland QB take?
Them guys back then were not all that slow and small, plus they actually had to used technique and not rely so much on their size and speed.

It would definitely be an interesting game for sure, like if you put the 1993 Bulls against the 2016 Warriors using 1993 rules.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He died at age 85 of natural causes. They found out he had CTE after he died. You can get CTE from a seemingly healthy HS football career. It doesn't mean you had concussions that wrecked you for 4 days, which is what happened to Aikman.
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No, just knocked out cold, woke up in the locker room, taken to the hospital, and didn't play football for the rest of that season or the next.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying there is absolutely no valid reason to believe NFL players in the 1960's respected women more than NFL players today do. You can point to anecdotal evidence, like Ray Rice, but I think cultural norms are a much better indication of what is actually going on, on average.

Ray Rice didn't do what he did in the public eye. Joe Namath asked a woman to kiss him on national TV, because that's the life he lived openly in the 70's.
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It was because Namath was sh!t faced, pissy drunk.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying there is absolutely no valid reason to believe NFL players in the 1960's respected women more than NFL players today do. You can point to anecdotal evidence, like Ray Rice, but I think cultural norms are a much better indication of what is actually going on, on average.

Ray Rice didn't do what he did in the public eye. Joe Namath asked a woman to kiss him on national TV, because that's the life he lived openly in the 70's.
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Well I disagree with you. I think a lot of the players today are boarder line thugs. Look at UT in the past few years, they have a rapist mentality.
 
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hog88 said:
It does depend on what rules the used. Think about it.

Can todays O-linemen block without their hands?
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Could the D-linemen from back in the day get off a block if the O-linemen were using their hands?

Can the Cleveland QB today call plays without the headset in his helmet?
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You just have a WR run in the play...or you use signs.

It would definitely be an interesting game for sure, like if you put the 1993 Bulls against the 2016 Warriors using 1993 rules.
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I think you mean '96 Bulls....and the Warriors crush them under any rules in which there is a 3-point line and it's not even close. '96 rules favored big men and hurt slashers (because of hand checking) which is what MJ was. The Warriors are great because they play great D without hand-checking and they spread the floor wider than anything that seemed possible in 1996.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Could the D-linemen from back in the day get off a block if the O-linemen were using their hands?



You just have a WR run in the play...or you use signs.



I think you mean '96 Bulls....and the Warriors crush them under any rules in which there is a 3-point line and it's not even close. '96 rules favored big men and hurt slashers (because of hand checking) which is what MJ was. The Warriors are great because they play great D without hand-checking and they spread the floor wider than anything that seemed possible in 1996.
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Why I asked about what set of rules. Play with todays rules, no way a team from the 60s, 70's or early 80's could compete.

No I meant the 93 Bulls, NBA Champions. GS playing that team with 1993 rules would have tremendous problems, Currie would have problems with the hand-checking that was allowed on the perimeter.
 
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hog88 said:
Why I asked about what set of rules. Play with todays rules, no way a team from the 60s, 70's or early 80's could compete.

No I meant the 93 Bulls, NBA Champions. GS playing that team with 1993 rules would have tremendous problems, Currie would have problems with the hand-checking that was allowed on the perimeter.
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I don't think that he would. Guys today can pull up from anywhere and and bait you into a foul where they create all the contact if you leave your arm out there. That becomes even easier to do if the guy's arm is on you.

They used hand checking to keep their guy from getting to the rim, but their guys couldn't bust from 22', let alone 27'.
 
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBJ5ysytHGc[/youtube]

I hate that this is a foul, but this is a foul in 1993 and it's a foul in 2017
 
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I don't get all of this comparing the current day to the old way. Nothing stays the same, but the old guys always kick the **** out of the new guys. Why is that?
 
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VolStrom said:
I don't get all of this comparing the current day to the old way. Nothing stays the same, but the old guys always kick the **** out of the new guys. Why is that?
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Old guys are cool, but they don't win at everything. I'll suddenly become better at everything when I'm old? That's not the way the world works. Some things were better. Some things are now better. Some things you're better at than me and vice versa. You can live in denial and pretend like you can kick a young guy's ass at everything, but it's kinda sad that you feel the need to fool yourself like that.

We are talking about this because old people were talking about why they think football used to be better.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think that he would. Guys today can pull up from anywhere and and bait you into a foul where they create all the contact if you leave your arm out there. That becomes even easier to do if the guy's arm is on you.

They used hand checking to keep their guy from getting to the rim, but their guys couldn't bust from 22', let alone 27'.
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Smh...
 
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