The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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Pepe_Silvia said:
This entire issue seems fairly simple.

The players have the right to peacefully protest.

The owners have the right to make their own standards of conduct and discipline those who do not follow said standards.

The fans who are offended by the protests have the right to stop watching the games.
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Pretty much
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
This entire issue seems fairly simple.

The players have the right to peacefully protest.

The owners have the right to make their own standards of conduct and discipline those who do not follow said standards.

The fans who are offended by the protests have the right to stop watching the games.
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As a midpoint to the last paragraph the fans can remove themselves from what they consider offensive. Why not. If they can still enjoy then game then fine. If not the stop watching all together.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Stop it. We've seen NFL teams bring in drug addicts, thieves, bullies and other lawbreakers. Kaepernick breaks no laws but can't find a job in a league that was starving for quarterbacks last year.
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Yeah they bring in guys that are studs with issues..... they will typically cut marginal guys for much more minor infractions..... Kap is a marginal guy.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The very first name on the list is a push, at best. Jimmy Garrapolo and Kaepernick had identical numbers over the last few games they played in SF.

The rest of that list is a joke. Ryan Mallett? Geno Smith?

Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots
Matt Moore, Dolphins
Colt McCoy, Washington
A.J. McCarron, Bengals
Chad Henne, Jaguars
Geno Smith, Giants
Drew Stanton, Cardinals
Brock Osweiler/Cody Kessler, Browns
Chase Daniel, Saints
Derek Anderson, Panthers
Nick Foles, Eagles
Ryan Mallett, Ravens
Matt Barkley, 49ers
Landry Jones, Steelers
Matt Cassel, Titans
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He had a decent run at the end.... but he is 30+ and not the difference between a Super Bowl or not.... he is also probably not as willing to work for the league minimum as those guys are.....
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I thought our responses didn’t matter? So I’m just going to remove myself from the situation.

If it doesn’t matter then it doesn’t matter and no need for me to participate or even acknowledge it right?
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Works for me, less of you will translate to cheaper PSL's for me.

By Felicia.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Yep. The postal workers present the colors now I suppose. I must have missed those games where he park rangers and post office presented the colors that these players *****ed out for.
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Actually there are a number of color guards that have presented at NFL games including the CIA, ICE, local fire departments, and local police departments.

And, yes, The Tennessee Park Rangers Association has a color guard that has presented at Tennessee Titans home games.

Honor Guard – TPRA.NET

"The Honor Guard first presented the colors at the opening of the 2006 Tennessee Recreation and Parks Association annual conference at Paris Landing State Park. They have since presented at several Tennessee Titans games, Nashville Predators games, Tennessee Vols and Lady Vols basketball games, as well as at State Parks Nights at minor league baseball games in Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Knoxville, and Jackson."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
To an extent, you are correct. They are different.

The snowflakes on the left were freaking out over who was POTUS, which has some significance on your daily life.

Meanwhile, the snowflakes on the right are freaking out over something that has zero impact on their daily lives, which is actually worse.
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It’s not just the right that has an issue with it.... it is people on the left and plenty of minorities as well. The reason they chose to protest during the anthem is bc they knew it would piss people off.... surprise it pissed people off.... there has always been things important to people that you don’t mess with.... family, religion, country typically being at the top..... i don’t really care either way but I’m tired of hearing about it....can’t enjoy football like I use too bc I have to listen to all this nonsense.
 
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My take is that it would be authoritarian to force the players to stand for the anthem.

They're sacrificing their brains for our entertainment. Let them do whatever the heck they want.
 
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Matt2496 said:
My take is that it would be authoritarian to force the players to stand for the anthem.

They're sacrificing their brains for our entertainment. Let them do whatever the heck they want.
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I would think that they are sacrificing their brains for money, fame, and it's what they are good at. I doubt if they think of the entertainment angle.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
This entire issue seems fairly simple.

The players have the right to peacefully protest.

The owners have the right to make their own standards of conduct and discipline those who do not follow said standards.

The fans who are offended by the protests have the right to stop watching the games.
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Yep, well said.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s not just the right that has an issue with it.... it is people on the left and plenty of minorities as well. The reason they chose to protest during the anthem is bc they knew it would piss people off.... surprise it pissed people off.... there has always been things important to people that you don’t mess with.... family, religion, country typically being at the top..... i don’t really care either way but I’m tired of hearing about it....can’t enjoy football like I use too bc I have to listen to all this nonsense.
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Easiest solution in my opinion is to keep players in the locker room during the anthem. This has never been an issue for the Vols as far as I remember since they don't take the field until after the POTS pregame.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The pledge was written by a devout socialist. I find it ironic that conservatives - supposed opponents of big government - support forcing children to begin every day by pledging their allegiance to the government. Its simple indoctrination.
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I don't see the word government or anything like it in the pledge, please enlighten me. It's a pledge to the flag and the REPUBLIC that it stands for. Stating that we as a REPUBLIC are indivisible and we stand for liberty and justice. If you don't believe that these are the tenants that our COUNTRY is founded upon, you need to study some American History written pre 1990 or so.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I don't see the word government or anything like it in the pledge, please enlighten me. It's a pledge to the flag and the REPUBLIC that it stands for. Stating that we as a REPUBLIC are indivisible and we stand for liberty and justice. If you don't believe that these are the tenants that our COUNTRY is founded upon, you need to study some American History written pre 1990 or so.
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I know plenty about American history. But thanks for the suggestion.

As for the term republic, it is synonymous with the term government imo.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I know plenty about American history. But thanks for the suggestion.

As for the term republic, it is synonymous with the term government imo.
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It’s a form of government. It is not THE government. You pledge allegiance to the flag that represents the the country of the United States and the republic we live in. At no point do you pledge loyalty to the people running the show. I don’t think that was written by accident.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
It’s a form of government. It is not THE government. You pledge allegiance to the flag that represents the the country of the United States and the republic we live in. At no point do you pledge loyalty to the people running the show. I don’t think that was written by accident.
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This is the lengths that people go to defend these "SJW".
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
It’s a form of government. It is not THE government. You pledge allegiance to the flag that represents the the country of the United States and the republic we live in. At no point do you pledge loyalty to the people running the show. I don’t think that was written by accident.
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The pledge was written that way so that people could be led to believe that they are declaring allegiance to some benevolent republic rather than the insidious government running it.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I don't see the word government or anything like it in the pledge, please enlighten me. It's a pledge to the flag and the REPUBLIC that it stands for. Stating that we as a REPUBLIC are indivisible and we stand for liberty and justice. If you don't believe that these are the tenants that our COUNTRY is founded upon, you need to study some American History written pre 1990 or so.
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I'm glad you pointed out that it represents all the people and didn't just single out the military.

But just curious, we have public officials, law enforcement officers and soldiers that make an oath to uphold the Constitution. At what point are we going to hold them accountable for not doing so?
 
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