The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[RDU VOL#14]

Well first off, Pat Tillman.

Secondly, where did her son fight for "liberty" at?

The point is he did his job, and he did it with the “symbol “ on his shoulder fighting with the people next to him who presumably had said symbol on shoulder. No need to mock a mother who lost a child serving our country.

 

[BearCat204]

Well first off, Pat Tillman.

Secondly, where did her son fight for "liberty" at?

Trash

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The point is he did his job, and he did it with the “symbol “ on his shoulder fighting with the people next to him who presumably had said symbol on shoulder. No need to mock a mother who lost a child serving our country.

That has everything to do with what I am talking about. It has nothing to do with mockery.

What exactly did her son and all the rest of his peers die for or risk their lives for? Was it for "liberty"? A "symbol"?

If people are being asked to put their lives om the line, it better be over something of substance.

 

[Velo Vol]

RINO.

 

[Weezer]

Well first off, Pat Tillman.

Secondly, where did her son fight for "liberty" at?

Do you think Pat Tillman, a man who gave up lots of money to serve his country, would support disrespecting the flag or the anthem. He quit being a well paid athlete to become a not so well paid soldier. He doesn't strike me as someone who would have supported what has turned into an anti-patriotism movement. Maybe it didn't start out that way, but it is what it's become.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do you think Pat Tillman, a man who gave up lots of money to serve his country, would support disrespecting the flag or the anthem. He quit being a well paid athlete to become a not so well paid soldier. He doesn't strike me as someone who would have supported what has turned into an anti-patriotism movement. Maybe it didn't start out that way, but it is what it's become.

Whether Pat Tillman would have supported it or not, 2 things are quite clear. First, Pat Tillman didn't die for anyone's freedoms or liberties, either. Secondly, if he wouldn't have supported the flag or anthem protesters, he would have still been wrong. You don't send people out to die over over a flag or an anthem. You only should be putting lives on the line when life and liberty are at stake. Nothing more. Nothing less. Pat Tillman and the rest of the guys pulled in after 9/11/2001 were sent to die in vain, not for our freedoms/liberties. If anything, Tillman and the rest of these military guys should have been fighting the leaders in Riyadh and Washington DC over the last 18 years...

 

[RDU VOL#14]

That has everything to do with what I am talking about. It has nothing to do with mockery.

What exactly did her son and all the rest of his peers die for or risk their lives for? Was it for "liberty"? A "symbol"?

If people are being asked to put their lives om the line, it better be over something of substance.

It seemed as though you were attacking the mom. Sometimes irrational thinking can be allowed when grieving . I’m aware of Pat Tillman and his sacrifice, all I was saying was the guy did his job and part
Of his job is obeying his commanding officers and that if he’s fighting for his interpretation of the flag than that’s his prerogative.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It seemed as though you were attacking the mom. Sometimes irrational thinking can be allowed when grieving . I’m aware of Pat Tillman and his sacrifice, all I was saying was the guy did his job and part
Of his job is obeying his commanding officers and that if he’s fighting for his interpretation of the flag than that’s his prerogative.

I didn't attack the mom. I went after the idea of us fighting for liberty.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I didn't attack the mom. I went after the idea of us fighting for liberty.

Alright. I just shared my interpretation of what you said. So we’re good.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It seemed as though you were attacking the mom. Sometimes irrational thinking can be allowed when grieving . I’m aware of Pat Tillman and his sacrifice, all I was saying was the guy did his job and part
Of his job is obeying his commanding officers and that if he’s fighting for his interpretation of the flag than that’s his prerogative.

And that goes to the very heart of what I am talking about. These guys risk their lives on false pretenses. They are not fighting for liberty or the flag.

And hell, just in the way that you phrased the post above, deep down you know these kids aren't dying for that, either. Yet, we keep the charade going and say things like obeying orders and doing his duty under deceptive influences is honorable. No, that isn't honorable... that is sad/disgusting. And the people sending these people out to die should be swinging with a rope around their necks.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

And that goes to the very heart of what I am talking about. These guys risk their lives on false pretenses. They are not fighting for liberty or the flag.

And hell, just in the way that you phrased the post above, deep down you know these kids aren't dying for that, either. Yet, we keep the charade going and say things like obeying orders and doing his duty under deceptive influences is honorable. No, that isn't honorable... that is sad/disgusting. And the people sending these people out to die should be swinging with a rope around their necks.

Ok I understand the point you’re trying to make.

 

[Matt2496]

Kaepernick is an idiot.

Kaepernick Quotes Frederick Douglass To Bash July 4th. Cruz Crushes Him With Facts.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[1972 Grad]

It was illegal for about the first 200 years.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[C-south]

And that goes to the very heart of what I am talking about. These guys risk their lives on false pretenses. They are not fighting for liberty or the flag.

And hell, just in the way that you phrased the post above, deep down you know these kids aren't dying for that, either. Yet, we keep the charade going and say things like obeying orders and doing his duty under deceptive influences is honorable. No, that isn't honorable... that is sad/disgusting. And the people sending these people out to die should be swinging with a rope around their necks.

Thank you for your service.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Easy to defend my position, actually. One is the law of the land and it is something that many public officials swear by oath to defend.

The flag, on the other hand is just a symbol.

And that ' defense ' is just talk on a web board.

 

[DynaLo]

When did we go from an all volunteer to a conscription military? We aren't snatching folks off the street and they aren't being impressed. They are making conscious decisions.

Some join the military for the benefits provided, some join for the education provided, some join due to their patriotism and for any combination of those reasons and more.

While there are various reasons one may decide to join the military, each and every volunteer understands what being in the military entails, exactly what the ultimate consequences may be and each and every one of them have decided it's worth it to them.

That flag, that symbol...from Betsy's first one to now has always flown high as a reminder of home, of family, of country and of why they joined the military.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

When did we go from an all volunteer to a conscription military? We aren't snatching folks off the street and they aren't being impressed. They are making conscious decisions.

Some join the military for the benefits provided, some join for the education provided, some join due to their patriotism and for any combination of those reasons and more.

While there are various reasons one may decide to join the military, each and every volunteer understands what being in the military entails, exactly what the ultimate consequences may be and each and every one of them have decided it's worth it to them.

That flag, that symbol...from Betsy's first one to now has always flown high as a reminder of home, of family, of country and of why they joined the military.

Meanwhile...

Oath of Enlistment

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

 

[Burger]

Meanwhile...

Every offensive war beyond Iraq and Afghanistan are unconstitutional...

 

[BearCat204]

It was illegal for about the first 200 years.

The more you know........the guy who was arrested was the defendant in the Texas vs Johnson SC case

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Fiery captain Megan Rapinoe REFUSES to sing the national anthem before the World Cup final - continuing her protest after first taking the knee to support Colin Kaepernick in 2016

But in her latest protest against President Trump - a man she has previously branded a ‘racist’ and a ‘misogynist’ - Rapinoe refused to sing along to the national anthem, standing emotionless with her hands clasped behind her back and her lips unmoved.

The fiery forward, 34, refused to sing along to the national anthem prior to kick-off, standing emotionless with her hands clasped behind her back

This is not the first time Rapinoe has opted not to recite the words of The Star-Spangled Banner, she has not taken part in the anthem since 2016. She even chose kneel during the hymn through much of 2016, until the US Soccer Federation implemented a new rule requiring players to stand

Rapinoe was standing in solidarity with NFL star Colin Kaepernick (pictured) who famously took the knee during the national anthem in protest against racism

Fiery forward Megan Rapinoe REFUSED to sing the national anthem | Daily Mail Online

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Stupid b!tch took a knee, and didn't even know why. lulz.

 

[AM64]

Stupid b!tch took a knee, and didn't even know why. lulz.

You have to hope that in the future no once gives her the opportunity to represent the US. If she felt that way about the country she should never have accepted the opportunity to represent the US ... apparently her butch/b!thc narcissism got the better of her ... it there is better.