The Thread Where We Debate About Healthcare in America

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Velo Vol said:
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I understand the idea behind this but my latest yearly exam found an issue I really needed to address. It could have cost me my sight in a few years if left untreated. Vision insurance is so cheap and most issues found like mine are covered by medical
 
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Velo Vol said:
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weird, my wife had my daughter as a high-risk OB and everything including delivery and 2 days in hospital was $38.

People who bitch about the US health care issues (and there are issues there) over look the following things:

- the medical licensing/physician groups have caused a lot of issues by requiring strict regulations which forbids doctors from charging people normal prices as well as forbidding things that were common such as home visits.

- Medical insurance should have never been an employee incentive OR a government program (outside of the truly needy) and should have been treated like any other free-market commodity.

- Because those without insurance, homeless, mentally ill without other resources, drug addicts, and illegals flood the EDs (along with 75% of other people in the ED there for non-emergent situations), it drives up costs and wait times for the hospitals, when really they just need to go to a regular clinic or doctor but they dont want to because they dont want to pay for it OR pay for insurance.

- The US healthcare as a whole is much more advanced, specific, and modern in terms of treatments and wait times than anywhere in the world, even with our large, diverse population with its issues, especially with cancer treatments, surgeries, and such.

- People dont truly understand WHAT the issues really are in healthcare because they have never worked at a Level 1 trauma center, a regular hospital, or a doctor's office and don't understand how things truly work. And this includes most politicians
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
- the medical licensing/physician groups have caused a lot of issues by requiring strict regulations which forbids doctors from charging people normal prices as well as forbidding things that were common such as home visits.
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What are normal prices?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
- People dont truly understand WHAT the issues really are in healthcare because they have never worked at a Level 1 trauma center, a regular hospital, or a doctor's office and don't understand how things truly work. And this includes most politicians
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What would I learn spending a day "inside" the doctor's office?
 
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Velo Vol said:
What are normal prices?
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The way government regulations and insurance companies are, certain doctors have to charge higher than they normally would...especially on people with no insurance or an out of system insurance plan, because otherwise they will not be paid at all
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The way government regulations and insurance companies are, certain doctors have to charge higher than they normally would...especially on people with no insurance or an out of system insurance plan, because otherwise they will not be paid at all
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Understood. We're so far from a free market it's hard to say what one would look like.
 
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Key House and Senate health care leaders in both parties reached a deal on Sunday on legislation to protect patients from surprise medical bills. The deal between House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.), Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.), the top Republican on that panel, and Senate Health Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) is a step forward for the effort, which is seen as a rare area of possible bipartisan action this year.
The deal also includes other health care measures, such as an extension of funding for community health centers, raising the purchasing age for tobacco to 21 and drug pricing transparency measures.
Backers of the deal are hoping to include it in a must-pass government funding deal that faces a Dec. 20 deadline.
There are still obstacles, though. Congressional leadership has not yet signed onto the deal.
There are also still disagreements over the details of the surprise medical billing legislation, with doctors and hospitals lobbying hard on the issue and worried about cuts to their payments.

Key House and Senate health leaders reach deal to stop surprise medical bills
 
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Mick said:
Key House and Senate health care leaders in both parties reached a deal on Sunday on legislation to protect patients from surprise medical bills. The deal between House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.), Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.), the top Republican on that panel, and Senate Health Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) is a step forward for the effort, which is seen as a rare area of possible bipartisan action this year.
The deal also includes other health care measures, such as an extension of funding for community health centers, raising the purchasing age for tobacco to 21 and drug pricing transparency measures.
Backers of the deal are hoping to include it in a must-pass government funding deal that faces a Dec. 20 deadline.
There are still obstacles, though. Congressional leadership has not yet signed onto the deal.
There are also still disagreements over the details of the surprise medical billing legislation, with doctors and hospitals lobbying hard on the issue and worried about cuts to their payments.

Key House and Senate health leaders reach deal to stop surprise medical bills
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How F'n stupid do you have to be to be "surprised" by a medical bill? I get surprised every month after I go to a doctor about how freaking much they pay for 10 minutes worth or treatment.
 
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VolStrom said:
How F'n stupid do you have to be to be "surprised" by a medical bill? I get surprised every month after I go to a doctor about how freaking much they pay for 10 minutes worth or treatment.
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Why? BMWs, Porsches and Suburbans ain't cheap.
 
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VolStrom said:
How F'n stupid do you have to be to be "surprised" by a medical bill? I get surprised every month after I go to a doctor about how freaking much they pay for 10 minutes worth or treatment.
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I pulled my back and had to go to the ER. The hospital was in network but the doctor wasn’t. My bill showed up and the doctor portion was $800+. A lot of ER’s are staffed with contract doctors who don’t work for the hospital. So while you’re at an in network facility they work for a company that has specifically not signed up for the network. So they bill you full freight and unfortunately a lot of people don’t call them out in it. That’s the surprise. I did and BlueCross changed my bill to reflect an in network doctor.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Why? BMWs, Porsches and Suburbans ain't cheap.
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I've lived next door to a couple of young docs in my life. The gastro guy lived frugally, the plastic surgeon liked his 911's and AMG's meanwhile I drove my Toyotas and Nissans.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I pulled my back and had to go to the ER. The hospital was in network but the doctor wasn’t. My bill showed up and the doctor portion was $800+. A lot of ER’s are staffed with contract doctors who don’t work for the hospital. So while you’re at an in network facility they work for a company that has specifically not signed up for the network. So they bill you full freight and unfortunately a lot of people don’t call them out in it. That’s the surprise. I did and BlueCross changed my bill to reflect an in network doctor.
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I've heard that most ER docs and radiologists at hospitals do not participate so they can rape patients just like you said. Write your congressman, the more people complain the more they know we mean business.
 
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VolStrom said:
How F'n stupid do you have to be to be "surprised" by a medical bill? I get surprised every month after I go to a doctor about how freaking much they pay for 10 minutes worth or treatment.
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Don't bitch about it. It's the way you wanted it. Shut up and pay your bills.
 
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Mick said:
I don't know how that would work. The keyword was "bipartisan".
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Linked story has no details on the rules, but it seems medical providers have a couple options:

1) start notifying patients that if you admit here you'll owe us $$$$, or

2) try to get all the providers in the same network

(2) seems the more likely outcome.
 
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VolStrom said:
How F'n stupid do you have to be to be "surprised" by a medical bill? I get surprised every month after I go to a doctor about how freaking much they pay for 10 minutes worth or treatment.
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The actual physician practice only collects about 1/3 of what is billed for a visit. The rest goes to the middle man.
 
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