The Tiger Woods saga

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GAVol said:
I think there are just a certain number of reps everybody gets before stuff starts to wear out. And the list of back and joint casualties is long. Jason Day and Rory McIlroy are still in their 20s and have already dealt with injuries.
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Definitely. Those guys swing so hard, eventually something is going to break down.
 
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doozer said:
Do you actually believe what you type or do you just like to hear yourself bang the keyboard? The numbers don't lie.

Golfers Don't Win Majors As They Continue to Age | Golf Channel
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I'm not talking about majors. I'm talking about being competitive. Vijay won 22 times after age 40. Snead 17 times, Kenny Perry 11, Stricker 9 times, etc. Tiger can't make a cut . Tiger is the only player I have ever seen wd a press conference.

Vijay may not give the appearance of swinging as hard as Tiger, but he does. In 2004, Woods averaged 1 more yard driving distance than Vijay, and in 2012, Woods averaged 2 yards more than Vijay.

This year Vijay averages 10 yards less than he did in 2004, but still within less than 8 yards of Jason Day, and he appears to swing as violently as anyone.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Most of them can finish ahead of someone in the field.
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We've seen Duval, Couples, Love etc etc go through these type of injury issues. Some get through it and can contend sporadically. Some are barely a factor ever again.

Not everything that goes wrong for Tiger is due to some sort of personal failing.
 
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GAVol said:
We've seen Duval, Couples, Love etc etc go through these type of injury issues. Some get through it and can contend sporadically. Some are barely a factor ever again.

Not everything that goes wrong for Tiger is due to some sort of personal failing.
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I am not talking about any failing other than his golf game, and I don't believe that it can be blamed totally on his age or his health. It has gone to his head, just as it did with Duval and Ian Baker Finch, when they couldn't drive it in a 10 acre field. Just like it happened to L.A. Dodger 2nd baseman Steve Sax, when he couldn't throw it to 1st base. Tiger is a head case now.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm not talking about majors. I'm talking about being competitive. Vijay won 22 times after age 40. Snead 17 times, Kenny Perry 11, Stricker 9 times, etc. Tiger can't make a cut . Tiger is the only player I have ever seen wd a press conference.

Vijay may not give the appearance of swinging as hard as Tiger, but he does. In 2004, Woods averaged 1 more yard driving distance than Vijay, and in 2012, Woods averaged 2 yards more than Vijay.

This year Vijay averages 10 yards less than he did in 2004, but still within less than 8 yards of Jason Day, and he appears to swing as violently as anyone.
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So you didn't read the article. Cool.
 
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doozer said:
So you didn't read the article. Cool.
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I read it a couple or three years ago. I know more or less what it says, but Tiger's problem isn't age. Am I supposed to believe that a guy who led the field in birdies (24) at the Hero World Challenge at age 40 and 11 months in December is suddenly an old man, and unable to compete because he is 2 months older? It isn't his age.

His back may be partially to blame, but mostly it's in the way he views himself now. He has no confidence, and no go to shot. He has a 2 way miss, and has lost his way.
 
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volfanbill said:
He never does.he just picks pieces to fit his ill contrived narrative
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I think my narrative makes perfect sense. He is more like Bill Rogers, Frank Beard, David Duval, and Seve Ballesteros than Methuselah. He lost his confidence. He no longer views himself as the baddest golfer around.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I think my narrative makes perfect sense. He is more like Bill Rogers, Frank Beard, David Duval, and Seve Ballesteros than Methuselah. He lost his confidence. He no longer views himself as the baddest golfer around.
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He's old. Father Time is the only undefeated competitor in history. You've proven your idiotic bias against Tiger time and time again, but this one is just stupid
 
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volfanbill said:
He's old. Father Time is the only undefeated competitor in history. You've proven your idiotic bias against Tiger time and time again, but this one is just stupid
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I may be biased against him, but he is not old enough to be shooting 77's. Are you serious in thinking that a 41 year old cannot play any better than that?
 
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1972 Grad said:
I may be biased against him, but he is not old enough to be shooting 77's. Are you serious in thinking that a 41 year old cannot play any better than that?
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A 41 year old with multiple back surgeries and other major injuries? Yea, it's commonplace and you're foolish trying to pretend it's not
 
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1972 Grad said:
I think my narrative makes perfect sense. He is more like Bill Rogers, Frank Beard, David Duval, and Seve Ballesteros than Methuselah. He lost his confidence. He no longer views himself as the baddest golfer around.
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Sure his psyche is affected. And it's about 90% due to injuries which have forced him to compensate. He no longer has a consistent go to swing because he's spending most of his time swinging in survival mode and he knows it. One bandaid causes two more problems and, voila, you've got a streaky swing.
 
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volfanbill said:
A 41 year old with multiple back surgeries and other major injuries? Yea, it's commonplace and you're foolish trying to pretend it's not
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41 has nothing to do with it. If it did, nobody who is 41 or older could break 70, or make a cut. Vijay has made 16 of 24 cuts in 2016 and 2017, and he is 54. Sam Snead made a cut in a major at age 67. Tom Watson was in a playoff for a major at age 59. It's not his age.

His back was apparently fine according to everything that I read after the Hero World Challenge, when he led the field with 24 birdies, but finished with a 76. That was 2 months ago. Then, he was apparently ready to roll in San Diego, and shot 72-76. Then, he apparently felt good enough to fly 17 hours to Dubai to play, and shot 77. Age is not the excuse. Injuries play into it for sure, but not age.

I don't know how old that you and Doozer are, but 41 isn't old for a golfer. Too many have played too well in their 40's.
 
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GAVol said:
Sure his psyche is affected. And it's about 90% due to injuries which have forced him to compensate. He no longer has a consistent go to swing because he's spending most of his time swinging in survival mode and he knows it. One bandaid causes two more problems and, voila, you've got a streaky swing.
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What caused his chipping yips?
 
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Name one golfer that faced a chronic back injury that was able to overcome it and win consistently in their 40s. I honestly can't think of one.
 
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1972 Grad said:
What caused his chipping yips?
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I'd guess it was lack of reps, but that's one thing that's looked ok since his comeback. He's pitched it and rolled it pretty well-known which is actually kind of scary given some of the big numbers he's put up.
 
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GAVol said:
I'd guess it was lack of reps, but that's one thing that's looked ok since his comeback. He's pitched it and rolled it pretty well-known which is actually kind of scary given some of the big numbers he's put up.
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He had a lack of reps twice in the past when he didn't touch a club for a few weeks, and came back and won his first week back. Once was after his dad died.
 
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I love that the article I linked disputes every single post you've made in the last, say, few days, with real facts and numbers, yet here you are trying to act like it never even exists. Kudos. You are at new low.
 
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doozer said:
I love that the article I linked disputes every single post you've made in the last, say, few days, with real facts and numbers, yet here you are trying to act like it never even exists. Kudos. You are at new low.
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Okay. Tiger has no issues with his swing, and no issues with his confidence on the golf course. He is just too old to play golf anymore.

I need help understanding how, in spite of his advanced age and surgically ravaged back, he led the field with 24 birdies at the Hero World Challenge 2 months ago, yet had 3 double bogeys in the last round.
He had 24 birdies, seven 6's, and two 7's in that tournament. Did his back just bother him on 9 of the 72 holes, and feel really good on 24 of them, and okay on the other 39 holes? Or, did he feel really old on those 9 holes, and younger than his years on the 24 birdie holes?
 
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