The Tyler Bray thread (merged)

#526
#526
Backwards K said:
If I had to guess, the overwhelming majority of people on here blindly defending Bray are 21 or younger.
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Oh yes you're so smart! GaVol and I are both so damned young...

This post like most posts you idiots bashing Bray have written is absolutely wrong.
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#527
#527
"Here's where the process breaks down. Bray's father said in January that his son had applied for a review from the advisory board. Before Bray heard back from the committee, though, the quarterback and his family conducted interviews with five agents and eventually decided on Don Yee, a move that doesn't make much sense. Why not wait for the response from the committee to decide whether it makes sense to hire an agent?"
 
#528
#528
Reading through some tweets, it sounds like the classic story of player being told he was wanted then the draft doesn't work out the way things were laid out
 
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#529
GAVol said:
Reading through some tweets, it sounds like the classic story of player being told he was wanted then the draft doesn't work out the way things were laid out
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Actually it means Bray was a double knot spy and did all he could do to hurt UT. He's the reason we've sucked for 5 years. Didn't you know that?
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#530
I've been trying to square my recollections of games with the posts I've been reading regarding Tyler Bray. Seems that there are a lot of folks who feel it's not really his fault he didn't get drafted. The coaches. The defense. His agent.

I've seen posts that say the offense was so high powered that if the defense was any good at all, we could have won 8, 9 games.

The defense. Sure, I remember wide receivers running around, nobody within 15 yards of them. Gaping holes and missed tackles, poor angles. Long break away runs where it looked like our guys were running in quick sand.

But I also remember the stops and what the offense did with those stops. A lot of 3,4,5, and out drives...lots.

I was at the Missouri game. Going into the fourth quarter we were up a touchdown. Missouri had the ball and they were in the midst of a 13 play drive...it ended in a punt.

The offense took the field, with 12:19 left, at our own 1. They stalled after two first downs, when on 3rd and 6 at the 30, Bray, inexplicably, throws a 3 yard pass to Hunter. We punt.

Missouri takes over with 8:15 left on the clock, behind by 7, at their own 28. Missouri gets a first down, but that's it after 8 plays. The defense holds and forces the punt. D. Young takes it to the 25, but a penalty on Pig Howard forces the offense to start at the 15.

There is 5:32 left in the game. We are up by 7 points. We need to run clock.

1st down, Neal runs for 2. 2nd down INC. Pass, 3rd down INC pass. Then Dooley, and I remember groaning in my seat, called a time out. I blame Chaney, should have run the ball 2 more times and forced them to use their time outs, instead we stop the clock twice with incomplete passes. Still, Bray was given the ball twice, they put it in his hands, all we need is a first down or two, he didn't make the plays. This drive takes 49 seconds, lol, off the clock and forces the D right back onto the field.

Missouri gets the ball back, the defense fighting, but THEIR QB engineers a 14 play drive that takes 4 minutes off the clock. They use two timeouts. They tie the game.

The rest is history. 43 seconds left, at our own 40 yard line, we take one shot and let the clock run out. OT WHY...WHY...WHY...I heard everyone saying didn't they just let him wing it, why take it out of his hands, why play for OT...I'll tell you why, they did not trust him. He's had opportunities and he didn't take advantage ALL Throughout THE GAME. They didn't trust him to not go bonehead and throw a pick 6.

Why do I bring this all up. Here's some numbers.

1 SC
1 MSU
0 UK
0 Vandy
0 Missouri
0 Alabama
0 UGA
0 UF

Those numbers represent the number of touchdowns thrown by Bray in the 4th Quarter. Take out UK(since we won), maybe Bama...the rest of those games were winnable in the fourth quarter.

Blame it on the defense, it's easy to do, but in most all of those games the offense had multiple chances to get it done, it didn't happen.

If I'm an NFL Scout, I have to wonder where was Gunslinger in crunch time?

Sorry for the long post. Wanna talk the Vandy game?:p
 
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#531
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VolBeef88 said:
Oh yes you're so smart! GaVol and I are both so damned young...

This post like most posts you idiots bashing Bray have written is absolutely wrong.
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OK, there's 2 old geezers in that category. How's that disprove my statement.

Also, I have not bashed him. I just said apparently NO NFL GMs thought he was worth spending a draft choice on. That's not opinion and that's not "absolutely wrong."

I am sorry that the truth is getting in the way of your hero worship.
 
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Roustabout said:
Bottom line, Bray didn't hate losing. Threw a game. Buff said.
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Personally think Bray owes Eric Berry and/or Dustin Colquitt a huge thank you, because I am almost certain they talked to their GM and Andy Reid about him. Could be why he is heading to KC.

The reasons Bray was passed over in the draft are numerous. One is obvious; with free agent signings, and the retention of quarterbacks by more teams than usual, this years draft saw a lower than usual demand for QBs. Most teams were upgrading the O and D lines in early rounds.

The thing that bothered me was Glennon of NC State got drafted over Bray. If Bray had his faults in the eyes of NFL scouts and GMs, how did Glennon get any love?

Some would blame maturity issues for the infamous beer bottle incident. However, several players with past discipline issues were drafted, so I ignore that.

One would have thought that the John Gruden QB pre-draft interview would have helped. However, Gruden had to point out things on the game films concerning Tyler's game films that one would have thought would have been pointed out by his college coaches, and Bray would have known. I believe the NFL teams watched that show, just as many of us did. It left me with the impression that Bray did not know how to read defenses, understand his progressions, and had less than adequate field vision. In hindsight, I believe Gruden's segment with Bray might have hurt more than helped.

Some would think by my comments that I am against Bray. Not at all, I hope he buckles down, and the chief's organization develops him into the quarterback we hoped he would be here. However, he has a lot of work to do, and I truly believe had he stayed at Tennessee one more year, his chances of being drafted and earning a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder's payday would have been much better.
 
#534
#534
Vandy, what no takers? :p

The Vols had 16 offensive possessions.

We punted the ball away seven times. Four of which were legit three and outs. There were two four play drives, and one six play drive that ended in a punt.

We turned the ball over on downs a total of three times.

Let's stop right here. That is 10 out of 16 drives where we failed to score any points on offense.

Three drives resulted in interceptions, 2 by Bray and one by Worley.

Let's stop again here. 13 out of 16 drives ended in a punt, turn over on downs or interceptions. How many teams can you beat like that?

That leaves one seven play, 59 yard drive where Bray throws a 14 yard pass to ZR for 6.

A 28 yard FG by Palardy

An 81 yard punt return by CP.

The offense scored 0 points in the 1st Qtr. 0 points in the 3rd. Qtr. and other than CP's punt return and 2 point conversion, nothing in the 4th Qtr.

On the other hand...let's look at the Defense.

We kicked off and Vandy got the ball. Zac Stacy catches a pass and goes 72 yards, down to the UT 5. The defense holds them to a FG. Vandy leads 3-0.

The Defense then forces 5 punts...in a row. 4 are legit 3 and outs, the other 4 and out. We scored once.

Vandy scored 17 points off the interceptions. Other than the first FG the D gave up after the long Z. Stacy catch and run, they got 10 points off of two interceptions...our offense gave them 1st. and 10 at our 17 yard line, they scored, blame the defense, lol.

Vandy scored 21 unanswered points in the 3rd Qtr.

The D did get an interception in the 3rd. Qtr. The offense ground out 7 yards on 3 plays and punted.

GBO!
 
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Backwards K said:
OK, there's 2 old geezers in that category. How's that disprove my statement.

Also, I have not bashed him. I just said apparently NO NFL GMs thought he was worth spending a draft choice on. That's not opinion and that's not "absolutely wrong."

I am sorry that the truth is getting in the way of your hero worship.
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For the record, I'm at least 10 years from being a geezer and I'm not defending Tyler Bray against anything other than those that feel the need to pile on and revel in his failure.
 
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vol66 said:
Vandy, what no takers? :p

The Vols had 16 offensive possessions.

We punted the ball away seven times. Four of which were legit three and outs. There were two four play drives, and one six play drive that ended in a punt.

We turned the ball over on downs a total of three times.

Let's stop right here. That is 10 out of 16 drives where we failed to score any points on offense.

Three drives resulted in interceptions, 2 by Bray and one by Worley.

Let's stop again here. 13 out of 16 drives ended in a punt, turn over on downs or interceptions. How many teams can you beat like that?

That leaves one seven play, 59 yard drive where Bray throws a 14 yard pass to ZR for 6.

A 28 yard FG by Palardy

An 81 yard punt return by CP.

The offense scored 0 points in the 1st Qtr. 0 points in the 3rd. Qtr. and other than CP's punt return and 2 point conversion, nothing in the 4th Qtr.

On the other hand...let's look at the Defense.

We kicked off and Vandy got the ball. Zac Stacy catches a pass and goes 72 yards, down to the UT 5. The defense holds them to a FG. Vandy leads 3-0.

The Defense then forces 5 punts...in a row. 4 are legit 3 and outs, the other 4 and out. We scored once.

Vandy scored 17 points off the interceptions. Other than the first FG the D gave up after the long Z. Stacy catch and run, they got 10 points off of two interceptions...our offense gave them 1st. and 10 at our 17 yard line, they scored, blame the defense, lol.

Vandy scored 21 unanswered points in the 3rd Qtr.

The D did get an interception in the 3rd. Qtr. The offense ground out 7 yards on 3 plays and punted.

GBO!
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You can type all the crap you want.....

I know what I saw.

I saw a kid with a rocket for a arm, outstanding deep ball, great pocket awareness, 6'6, knows when to throw it away........etc etc

Dude can ball with the best of them.
 
#537
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vols-1 said:
"Here's where the process breaks down. Bray's father said in January that his son had applied for a review from the advisory board. Before Bray heard back from the committee, though, the quarterback and his family conducted interviews with five agents and eventually decided on Don Yee, a move that doesn't make much sense. Why not wait for the response from the committee to decide whether it makes sense to hire an agent?"
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What's that from? And if that's the case, that is odd.
 
#538
#538
Vol4life25 said:
You can type all the crap you want.....

I know what I saw.

I saw a kid with a rocket for a arm, outstanding deep ball, great pocket awareness, 6'6, knows when to throw it away........etc etc

Dude can ball with the best of them.
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I know I saw a guy give partial effort in at least one SEC game, KY. Vanderbilt was another that could easily be argued. I also saw a guy that choked or failed at the end of at least 2 SEC games he potentially could have won, GA & SC.
The interview with Gruden was the straw that broke the Camel's back. It does not matter how much talent you have if you will not use it when called upon.
TB arguably had the most physically gifted arm of any QB in this years draft but it is also arguable that he was the least mature, the least focused, and the least committed to his craft.
 
#539
#539
There does seem to be a direct correlation between that KY game and the mental decision not to give full effort in SEC competition and the trajectory so far of TB's and DR's careers.

They can certainly rebound but that was their turning point imo.
 
#540
#540
He choked against SC? Using the Vandy game? Adorable.

I'll never understand this place. The butthurt over Bray just doesn't make any sense. Should thank him for grinding away in a bad situation. All players should be thanked for putting up with the last decade.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
He choked against SC? Using the Vandy game? Adorable.

I'll never understand this place. The butthurt over Bray just doesn't make any sense. Should thank him for grinding away in a bad situation. All players should be thanked for putting up with the last decade.
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Hoisting him on a pedestal for a w/l record as abysmal as his or excusing away that he never had a significant win he could hang his hat on is cute too. Should we thank him for admitting to giving 70% effort? Should we thank him for putting gaudy numbers up on lower talent opponents and INT's against good ones?
NFL teams agreed unanimously the other night that he was well below special. Average talent got picked by the 7th round. That wasn't based on his arm, but all the rest of it. Leadership, effort, decision making....winning.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
You can type all the crap you want.....

I know what I saw.

I saw a kid with a rocket for a arm, outstanding deep ball, great pocket awareness, 6'6, knows when to throw it away........etc etc

Dude can ball with the best of them.
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Same "Dude" choked in almost every big moment he faced and couldn't make plays when we really needed them late it games. "Dude" was also throwing to 2 top rated WRs that were drafted early yet he was not. Its pretty obvious considering that every team passed on him through out the entire draft that "Dude" can't really ball with the best of them.

Rocket for an arm does not equal top notch QB.
 
#543
#543
i can remember back freshmen to yr. year people saying Bray and Darick were not good teammates and Poole and others made this known after the kentucky loss .guess the NFL found out and why.
 
#544
#544
Blackburn said:
Same "Dude" choked in almost every big moment he faced and couldn't make plays when we really needed them late it games. "Dude" was also throwing to 2 top rated WRs that were drafted early yet he was not. Its pretty obvious considering that every team passed on him through out the entire draft that "Dude" can't really ball with the best of them.

Rocket for an arm does not equal top notch QB.
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Shut up and give me my fries.
 
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#550
And it was 7-8.....

I know you guys like to use just 7.....because it makes Tyler look worse. But he said 7-8 not 7.
 
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