The Walking Dead

[bamawriter]

Honestly I found him a bit annoying after a while. Him monologuing for the first 20 minutes got kind of old, and by the end of it all I was just like "Ok we get it".

I can see that, but I think that's more of a writing problem. Morgan acted the crap out of what he was given.

 

[bamawriter]

Dude, killing two characters, one of which that has been with us since season 1 is a big deal.

This show kills off characters all the time, often those that have been around for quite a while. We're down to what, four characters who appeared in the first season?

Also, at the heart of the episode was the complete breakdown of Rick. That's a big deal and something we have not seen before.

Except we saw him break down and surrender leadership after Lori died. We didn't need an of the ax nonsense to get there.

 

[tumscalcium]

The more I've thought about it, the more losing Glenn sucks. I've kinda grown up with him. He's about the same age as me and was one of the only ones left that never killed a human.

He killed a few on the raid last season at that complex where they thought this Negan fellow was.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I can see that, but I think that's more of a writing problem. Morgan acted the crap out of what he was given.

Oh I have no problem with him, or really any actors on the show. You can only do so much with what you're given.

 

[hndog609]

The more I've thought about it, the more losing Glenn sucks. I've kinda grown up with him. He's about the same age as me and was one of the only ones left that never killed a human.

Glenn killed humans at the Savior outpost.

Generally speaking though I wonder if killing two people was the original plan. I know there were lots of people, including here, that were very outspoken that they would think it a huge copout not to take out one of the big names. I wonder if taking out Abraham first was a tease to all those people and then take out Glenn? At any rate I had assumed it was Glenn all along...that's simply too iconic a moment in the canon material. Didn't see the two-fer though.

 

[Grey_pilgrim]

He killed a few on the raid last season at that complex where they thought this Negan fellow was.

I forgot about that.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Glenn killed humans at the Savior outpost.

Generally speaking though I wonder if killing two people was the original plan. I know there were lots of people, including here, that were very outspoken that they would think it a huge copout not to take out one of the big names. I wonder if taking out Abraham first was a tease to all those people and then take out Glenn? At any rate I had assumed it was Glenn all along...that's simply too iconic a moment in the canon material. Didn't see the two-fer though.

I don't believe for a second it was.

 

[TheDeeble]

Honestly I found him a bit annoying after a while. Him monologuing for the first 20 minutes got kind of old, and by the end of it all I was just like "Ok we get it".

You're not the only one. I know I'm in a minority but so far Negan is a boring character. He talks far too much. His stupid monologues make me want fast forward through them.

 

[butchna]

It may be on of the worst. Maybe the worst, period.

Were it not for Jeffrey Dean Morgan, the episode would have been irredeemable.

Now I KNOW it was a good episode.

 

[hndog609]

You're not the only one. I know I'm in a minority but so far Negan is a boring character. He talks far too much. His stupid monologues make me want fast forward through them.

I'm speculating but it's my guess they want to get everybody as much up to speed on what Negan's about as quickly as possible before moving it all forward.

 

[vollygirl]

Negan's lack of humanity helped me process the episode. I said I didn't think I could watch human vs human knowing how brutal it was gonna be, walker vs human is much easier. But he is every bit as much of a monster as the walkers are - with total and complete disregard for human life. He just hasn't physically turned yet.

 

[butchna]

Negan's lack of humanity helped me process the episode. I said I didn't think I could watch human vs human knowing how brutal it was gonna be, walker vs human is much easier. But he is every bit as much of a monster as the walkers are - with total and complete disregard for human life. He just hasn't physically turned yet.

I don't know that I agree. He could've killed all of them. Would almost be justified if you count the number of his killed. It's a weird code, but he seems to follow it. Anything short of the trauma he inflicted wouldn't have broken Rick. He didn't want to look over his shoulder wondering if Rick was going to make a move...of course we know it will happen.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

You're not the only one. I know I'm in a minority but so far Negan is a boring character. He talks far too much. His stupid monologues make me want fast forward through them.

But that's how he is in the comics. He talks A LOT and loves to make cruel jokes about people. Blame Robert Kirkman for writing his character.

 

[BenGrimm]

Despite having read the spoilers I pretty much knew how this episode was going to go down. Seeing it acted out was still quite nerve wracking.

I had no problem with Daryl taking a shot at Negan. It was totally in line with his character and I'm sure he thought it was going to come back on him, not Glenn.

I'm trying to come up with episodes I enjoyed less, and I'm still on zero.

The big issue with this episode is that it accomplished absolutely nothing except for killing off two characters. It moved nothing forward, and revealed nothing about any of the characters that we didn't already know, including Negan.

It wasted an hour on about 5 minutes of plot.

Can't disagree more. 2 major characters killed, one taken prisoner with threat of being sent back in pieces if Rick attempts to retaliate, Rick completely broken in front his people. And yes, Negan needed to be SHOWN just how ruthless he is.

I can think of a dozen episodes that worse, like half of season 2 for instance,

Having said that I can think of several I liked more as well but that doesn't take anything away from this one.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Despite having read the spoilers I pretty much knew how this episode was going to go down. Seeing it acted out was still quite nerve wracking.

I had no problem with Daryl taking a shot at Negan. It was totally in line with his character and I'm sure he thought it was going to come back on him, not Glenn.



Can't disagree more. 2 major characters killed, one taken prisoner with threat of being sent back in pieces if Rick attempts to retaliate, Rick completely broken in front his people. And yes, Negan needed to be SHOWN just how ruthless he is.

I can think of a dozen episodes that worse, like half of season 2 for instance,

Having said that I can think of several I liked more as well but that doesn't take anything away from this one.

Except given how it played out, anyone with a brain knows that's never going to happen to Daryl.

 

[BenGrimm]

Except given how it played out, anyone with a brain knows that's never going to happen to Daryl.

Well duh... I didn't think they would actually go through with chopping Carl's arm off either but that didn't make the scene any less intense.

The characters in the show don't know Daryl has been deemed safe by the marketing dept.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Well duh... I didn't think they would actually go through with chopping Carl's arm off either but that didn't make the scene any less intense.

The characters in the show don't know Daryl has been deemed safe by the marketing dept.

But we do. If you want to ignore it or it doesn't bother you, then more power to you. I respect your opinon, but for me it kills a lot of suspense knowing nothing to going to happen to him after what they pulled last night.

 

[bamawriter]

Can't disagree more. 2 major characters killed, one taken prisoner with threat of being sent back in pieces if Rick attempts to retaliate, Rick completely broken in front his people. And yes, Negan needed to be SHOWN just how ruthless he is.

They already did broken Rick back at the prison.

And did we learn anything more about Negan's ruthlessness? We already know he beat someone to death 6 months ago. What did any of the rest of last nite's episode teach us?

 

[butchna]

They already did broken Rick back at the prison.

And did we learn anything more about Negan's ruthlessness? We already know he beat someone to death 6 months ago. What did any of the rest of last nite's episode teach us?

You can liquefy the human head with a baseball bat.

 

[BenGrimm]

But we do. If you want to ignore it or it doesn't bother you, then more power to you. I respect your opinon, but for me it kills a lot of suspense knowing nothing to going to happen to him after what they pulled last night.

It's pretty easy to ignore. There are always characters in every franchise you know will survive. In this instance it's not about me worrying about Daryl's safety but how it will affect Rick and the groups decisions for planning a counter strike.

I have no problem with it was handled in last nights episode. Leaving Daryl alive to know that his actions got Glenn killed was more ruthless than Megan just bashing his brains in right there.

 

[BenGrimm]

They already did broken Rick back at the prison.

And did we learn anything more about Negan's ruthlessness? We already know he beat someone to death 6 months ago. What did any of the rest of last nite's episode teach us?

That was just a mental break down. Most of that was off on his own. Or voluntarily needing a break from being the leader. This was was being completely dominated by a new antagonist.

And just because I tell you Nick Saban is short doesn't mean you understand how short he is until you see him standing in front of some cheerleaders and they have to squat down to make him seem taller.

Same principle was applied to Negan here. You had to see it to believe it.

 

[RikidyBones]

That was just a mental break down. Most of that was off on his own. Or voluntarily needing a break from being the leader. This was was being completely dominated by a new antagonist.

And just because I tell you Nick Saban is short doesn't mean you understand how short he is until you see him standing in front of some cheerleaders and they have to squat down to make him seem taller.

Same principle was applied to Negan here. You had to see it to believe it.

Those weren't Bama cheerleaders. those were 7 year old kids.

 

[bamawriter]

Same principle was applied to Negan here. You had to see it to believe it.

Okay. Even if the writers felt it was necessary to go with an extra death and the near-amputation, the whole bit with the ax was utterly pointless. That went nowhere, and it was 1/3 of the runtime.

 

[butchna]

Okay. Even if the writers felt it was necessary to go with an extra death and the near-amputation, the whole bit with the ax was utterly pointless. That went nowhere, and it was 1/3 of the runtime.

Took you away from some other important television issue?

 

[mrorange211]

Okay. Even if the writers felt it was necessary to go with an extra death and the near-amputation, the whole bit with the ax was utterly pointless. That went nowhere, and it was 1/3 of the runtime.

The ax scene was the most important scene of the episode dude.