The Weekly/BiWeekly School Shooting Thread

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luthervol said:
On line? That's even funnier.
At what age to you think a child should no longer be required to go to school?
5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15?
No age?
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What’s funny about online? Your local school system probably wastes a minimum of 250k a year running an alternative school. You can move in online for free.

I’d make paths easier for students to drop out in 9th grade.
 
#53
#53
Vol8188 said:
How’s that not an easy fix? Off the top of my head I can only name one shooting to ever occur at a university. Why? Because the people who don’t want to be there, aren’t there
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VOA Special Report | History of mass shooters | College campus shootings
The first mass shooting in modern U.S. history at a college or university took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin. Fifteen people were killed and 31 others injured.

Since then, eight more mass shootings have occurred on college campuses through 2019 — the majority of them taking place in the past 15 years.
 
#54
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luthervol said:
VOA Special Report | History of mass shooters | College campus shootings
The first mass shooting in modern U.S. history at a college or university took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin. Fifteen people were killed and 31 others injured.

Since then, eight more mass shootings have occurred on college campuses through 2019 — the majority of them taking place in the past 15 years.
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9 over 53 years?

The thread title suggests that K-12 school shootings are at least 26 per year
 
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luthervol said:
VOA Special Report | History of mass shooters | College campus shootings
The first mass shooting in modern U.S. history at a college or university took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin. Fifteen people were killed and 31 others injured.

Since then, eight more mass shootings have occurred on college campuses through 2019 — the majority of them taking place in the past 15 years.
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So you’ve got 9 shootings in over 50 years? Is that supposed to disprove my claim?
 
#56
#56
Vol8188 said:
What’s funny about online? Your local school system probably wastes a minimum of 250k a year running an alternative school. You can move in online for free.

I’d make paths easier for students to drop out in 9th grade.
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Over half of the "lower" or troubled students do not even log in. They are in that position because of a lack of parenting, so your answer it to put them at home even longer?
 
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luthervol said:
Over half of the "lower" or troubled students do not even log in. They are in that position because of a lack of parenting, so your answer it to put them at home even longer?
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Idk what your point is. But I also disagree with the parenting. I can give you plenty of examples of good parents with kids who don’t want to do what they should.

Education can’t save everyone. If you don’t want to behave, go home. It’s simple. You can’t force a kid who doesn’t want to work, to work, even if they’re in person
 
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Vol8188 said:
If there were only 9 school shootings in the next 50 years, wouldn’t that be a great outcome? It seems you’re only giving me supporting evidence
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It would be a vast improvement.
Your better conclusion would be that people over the age of 18 have a little more control and wisdom than 15 year olds.
 
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luthervol said:
It would be a vast improvement.
Your better conclusion would be that people over the age of 18 have a little more control and wisdom than 15 year olds.
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That’s a less likely conclusion given it’s typically older high school students. If your claim was true it would be an epidemic in the middle and elementary schools.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s a less likely conclusion given it’s typically older high school students. If your claim was true it would be an epidemic in the middle and elementary schools.
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No, it makes perfect sense. The 15-17 year old male is the most emotionally volatile creature there is. They also typically have zero coping skills.
 
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luthervol said:
No, it makes perfect sense. The 15-17 year old male is the most emotionally volatile creature there is. They also typically have zero coping skills.
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That's why a lot of high school kids start smoking pot. It helps them cope with reality.
 
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luthervol said:
No, it makes perfect sense. The 15-17 year old male is the most emotionally volatile creature there is. They also typically have zero coping skills.
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It doesn’t make sense. There is not magical change off that occurs when a 17 year old enters college. If what you’re claiming is true, you’d still see plenty of college school shootings because numerous students enter college at 17.

You also wouldn’t see a complete drop off to nearly 0 at 18 with college students. You don’t become 18 and you’re automatically less volatile and more capable of coping than a 17 year old.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It doesn’t make sense. There is not magical change off that occurs when a 17 year old enters college. If what you’re claiming is true, you’d still see plenty of college school shootings because numerous students enter college at 17.

You also wouldn’t see a complete drop off to nearly 0 at 18 with college students. You don’t become 18 and you’re automatically less volatile and more capable of coping than a 17 year old.
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You may need to factor in that a predisposition for shooting up a school may run counter to college ambition.
 
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luthervol said:
You may need to factor in that a predisposition for shooting up a school may run counter to college ambition.
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O you mean the kids I’m arguing it should be easier for them to drop out? Seems like I just won this round
 
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Vol8188 said:
O you mean the kids I’m arguing it should be easier for them to drop out? Seems like I just won this round
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Are you saying if one had no desire for college they have no desire to be educated?
Interesting. At what age should a child be allowed to drop out of school?
 
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luthervol said:
Are you saying if one had no desire for college they have no desire to be educated?
Interesting. At what age should a child be allowed to drop out of school?
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I answered the last question already in a previous reply to you. I’d go with about 9th grade with parents permission, 16 without.

It’s not about a desire for education. I’m saying kids who want to be at school, don’t shoot up the school, thus the low rates of shootings in higher education.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I answered the last question already in a previous reply to you. I’d go with about 9th grade with parents permission, 16 without.

It’s not about a desire for education. I’m saying kids who want to be at school, don’t shoot up the school, thus the low rates of shootings in higher education.
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Sorry, to many different things going on at once. I actually agree with letting them drop out at 16, which they can do with parents consent. I would be willing to go with allowing them to drop out at 16 without parental consent.
But it would have no effect on the number of school shootings.
 
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luthervol said:
Sorry, to many different things going on at once. I actually agree with letting them drop out at 16, which they can do with parents consent. I would be willing to go with allowing them to drop out at 16 without parental consent.
But it would have no effect on the number of school shootings.
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Why would it not? You yourself believe it’s mainly 16-17 year olds doing this. So removing the 16-17 year olds who don’t won’t to be there seems like it should have a positive impact
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would it not? You yourself believe it’s mainly 16-17 year olds doing this. So removing the 16-17 year olds who don’t won’t to be there seems like it should have a positive impact
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If this is the desired direction, then laws/regulations need to be removed that penalize school systems for having a certain percentage of drop out/withdrawal students
 
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