The Weekly/BiWeekly School Shooting Thread

#102
#102
I would say that we're also seeing the effect of decreased socialization in school. My kindergarten class learned our addresses and phone numbers and colored and learned how to get along and work together and share. Today's kindergarten classes are about sentence structure and math and building a data baseline for future academic assessments. There's no room for social emotional learning that is a cornerstone of age appropriate development.
 
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#103
#103
luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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Administrators and teachers themselves share in the blame for that.
 
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hog88 said:
Administrators and teachers themselves share in the blame for that.
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Partially. But a larger part is the ongoing effort by the right to undermine the public's respect for and faith in education.
It has been a calculated strategy for 30 years.
 
#105
#105
luthervol said:
Partially. But a larger part is the ongoing effort by the right to undermine the public's respect for and faith in education.
It has been a calculated strategy for 30 years.
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It's a two way street buddy. Public education has taken upon itself to "parent" kids outside of the confines of school which undermines the respect for the parent.
 
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luthervol said:
Partially. But a larger part is the ongoing effort by the right to undermine the public's respect for and faith in education.
It has been a calculated strategy for 30 years.
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You believe the problems in education are that people just don’t have enough faith in the institution? That sounds like more of religious view than an actual argument.

What would more faith in the institution change in your mind, that would lead to better outcomes?
 
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luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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Sorry I asked something I see you already answered. But what you’re referring to is a power dynamic and it’s not the right side of the isle that’s obsessed with undermining power dynamics. The history of Marxism and its role in education is where your issues lies. Most on the right would agree with you that teachers should have more authority and respect within the classroom.
 
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luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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why not look inward at the problems with public education? the public wouldn't be losing respect for it if there weren't real and growing problems. people aren't sheep who just believe what you perceive to be a "concerted effort...by the right" - they see it with their own eyes.

the most recent BS with Covid was just one further and glaring piece of evidence.

you want to regain respect and support for public education? heal thyself and those "concerted efforts" won't have any impact.
 
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hog88 said:
It's a two way street buddy. Public education has taken upon itself to "parent" kids outside of the confines of school which undermines the respect for the parent.
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It's obviously worse in some places than others but the in loco parentis plus a good dash of "we know better than the parents anyway" = parents not being too jiggy with some of the school systems.
 
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#110
#110
Vol8188 said:
Sorry I asked something I see you already answered. But what you’re referring to is a power dynamic and it’s not the right side of the isle that’s obsessed with undermining power dynamics. The history of Marxism and its role in education is where your issues lies. Most on the right would agree with you that teachers should have more authority and respect within the classroom.
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Most (many) on the right have been conditioned to despise public education and undermine it in any way possible.
You see it in the PF constantly.
 
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#111
volinbham said:
why not look inward at the problems with public education? the public wouldn't be losing respect for it if there weren't real and growing problems. people aren't sheep who just believe what you perceive to be a "concerted effort...by the right" - they see it with their own eyes.

the most recent BS with Covid was just one further and glaring piece of evidence.

you want to regain respect and support for public education? heal thyself and those "concerted efforts" won't have any impact.
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This.

I am still in disbelief at my experience for the past 2 years with my public schools. I am not even talking about the Covid part. I am talking about things like not having access to tests after they are completed and the reasoning being they would have to write new tests for the next year. And this reasoning is defended at every level of the school system. Hell, they don’t even need reasons, they defend any decision the teacher makes. And he wonders why respect is lost. I don’t have any respect for my local school system. That is not up for debate.
 
#113
#113
luthervol said:
Most (many) on the right have been conditioned to despise public education and undermine it in any way possible.
You see it in the PF constantly.
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Do you think that may have something to do with the institutional capture of education by the left? If your children are being indoctrinated, shouldn’t you take issue with that?

My children will never set foot in a public school
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you think that may have something to do with the institutional capture of education by the left? If your children are being indoctrinated, shouldn’t you take issue with that?

My children will never set foot in a public school
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You have proven my point much better than I ever could.

Your post it the perfect example of what I am claiming. (and I know you actually believe what you are saying, unfortunately)

Thanks............I guess.
 
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#117
#117
luthervol said:
Most (many) on the right have been conditioned to despise public education and undermine it in any way possible.
You see it in the PF constantly.
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LOL - why can't you accept people have legitimate reasons for seeing things differently than you?

also kudos for playing the victim card - "it's not the fault of public education, it's the concerted effort over 30 years to..."
 
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#122
Vol8188 said:
Wasn’t access to guns far more common in the 1960s and earlier than it is today?
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I don't know but my point is that once it happened a couple of times I think it just put ideas in people's heads of how to get whatever revenge or make whatever statement occurred to them.
 
#124
#124
luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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Where on Earth did they learn that behavior?
 
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