The Weekly/BiWeekly School Shooting Thread

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AshG said:
If this is the desired direction, then laws/regulations need to be removed that penalize school systems for having a certain percentage of drop out/withdrawal students
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I agree. That’s a big part of the problem in public education. When you judge schools by graduation rate you create diploma mills
 
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AshG said:
If this is the desired direction, then laws/regulations need to be removed that penalize school systems for having a certain percentage of drop out/withdrawal students
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I do believe that graduation rate is weighted to heavily. Schools bend over backwards to keep some students in long enough to give them a diploma when the student did next to nothing to help himself, and at the detriment to the other students at large.
 
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DynaLo said:
Once upon a time, back when kids faced serious repercussions at home for getting in trouble at school, you’d likely find in high school parking lots across this country vehicles with guns hanging in back window racks and kids didn’t even think about shooting up their school.

What caused the change in thought processes? Could it be a result of more disengaged parents, schools being unable to enforce disciplinary actions or kids just not being held accountable by anyone for bad behaviors? 🤔
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One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
 
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luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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That's a parenting thing. And just from the stereotypes I dont know if your typical right leaning parent would be worse than a left leaning parent in the situation you described.
 
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luthervol said:
No, it makes perfect sense. The 15-17 year old male is the most emotionally volatile creature there is. They also typically have zero coping skills.
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Yep it’s why most of them start out as liberal before they come to their senses
 
#91
#91
luthervol said:
One of the biggest changes is the public's loss of respect and support for public education. There has been a concerted effort over the past 30+ years by the right to portray public education (government schools as one idiot always made it a point to call them) in the worst possible light. As a result, respect for teachers and the educational process is at an all time low. The days of most parents siding with the school or believing the teacher are over. Today, the first response for many is to defend the kid and immediately accuse the school/teacher of some type of wrongdoing. Students know this and play it to the hilt. The degree to which students are able to manipulate their parents is astonishing.
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Because public education isn’t what it was 60 years ago and yes neither is average parenting. Now why do you suppose that changed?
 
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LouderVol said:
That's a parenting thing. And just from the stereotypes I dont know if your typical right leaning parent would be worse than a left leaning parent in the situation you described.
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A little worse. The far right leaning parents are about the same as the worst parents on the left. It's just that each group has gotten larger over the years and the crazy parenting from the right has grown more.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because public education isn’t what it was 60 years ago and yes neither is average parenting. Now why do you suppose that changed?
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The latchkey generation. The shift from a household being able to thrive on one paycheck transitioning to surviving on two. The flood of electronic largesse that moved from occasional entertainment to daily pacifier. Parents not knowing their children, and/or being their child's friend instead of their parent.

I can go on.
 
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AshG said:
The latchkey generation. The shift from a household being able to thrive on one paycheck transitioning to surviving on two. The flood of electronic largesse that moved from occasional entertainment to daily pacifier. Parents not knowing their children, and/or being their child's friend instead of their parent.

I can go on.
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Hey, we finally agree on something. The downstream effects of both the sexual revolution and the women’s rights movement has had a real and negative impact upon families. Especially families of color
 
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Vol8188 said:
Wasn’t access to guns far more common in the 1960s and earlier than it is today?
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Yep. When I was in high school in the early 90s, even. Lots of trucks in the school parking lot with rifles for hunting after the dismissal bell.

I grew up in a gun positive environment. My dad's side were all law enforcement and my mom's side farmed and ran tree nurseries. I had a gun in my hand as soon as I was mature enough to listen and obey. I had it hammered into me that a gun was a tool, a tool, a tool, never anything more. The power came from the person wielding it. Either for protection, or for sustenance.

What we're seeing now are more people who only feel powerful when the gun is in their hand. The person doesn't solve the problem, the gun does. And that's not a gun problem but a community problem.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Hey, we finally agree on something. The downstream effects of both the sexual revolution and the women’s rights movement has had a real and negative impact upon families. Especially families of color
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I was going to say inflation, the failure of trickle down economics, and the rotting effect of unrealistic expectations as portrayed by Hollywood entertainment.
 
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AshG said:
I was going to say inflation, the failure of trickle down economics, and the rotting effect of unrealistic expectations as portrayed by Hollywood entertainment.
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I agree inflation is an issue, but the left wing policies I imagine you support are the cause of inflation.

Given we have the most progressive tax rates in the world, I would argue we’ve never tried trickle down economics.

I assume here you’re talking about the consumerism endorsed by Hollywood? I agree that’s part of the reason for 2 people working, because our poor spend more than the middle class in Europe. So it’s very possible to make it on less
 
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