The Weightlifters Thread

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n_huffhines said:
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Myostatin levels are genetically inherited, but does anybody have good reading on any way to combat this. I hear mixed things on whether blockers work. Some say lifting heavy reduces your myostatin levels which is why going heavy supposedly makes you bigger.

Anybody really delved into this topic?
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Tons of junk science with myostatin blockers. MyoT-12 was marketed by Bioquest and prosource a while ago. It didn't work, so they took it to MHP and they call it MyoT-X I think.

If it were truly a myostatin blocker, you'd be able to gain muscle without working out. Every study with this supplement involves heavy lifting.

Right now its just a pipe dream.
 
#5,277
#5,277
What is your favorite splits? I'm about to try a push, pull, and Leg one. I've been lifting 6 days a week, and hitting each muscle twice.
 
#5,278
#5,278
bamacheats said:
Tons of junk science with myostatin blockers. MyoT-12 was marketed by Bioquest and prosource a while ago. It didn't work, so they took it to MHP and they call it MyoT-X I think.

If it were truly a myostatin blocker, you'd be able to gain muscle without working out. Every study with this supplement involves heavy lifting.

Right now its just a pipe dream.
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Basically the same I've heard about blockers. Have you heard of experiments with injections? I heard they've been toying with the idea of an injection that permanently kills the myostatin genes.
 
#5,279
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n_huffhines said:
I came up with a split that supposedly is supposed to help reduce myostatin levels. All sets to failure are drop sets. I drop twice and I drop 30% each time I fail. The idea is that heavy weight is supposed to reduce myostatin and you want ample time to recover. For the last 2 years I haven't made improvements and I've been told it's because I'm doing too much detail work. Individual body part days are for people who juice, or who have naturally low myostatin. Most people don't have the recovery ability to put their bodies through that and get the best results. That's the theory anyway.

Lifts x Total Sets x Sets to Failure

Monday - quads = 2x6x2, hamstrings = 2x5x2, calves = 1x3x1
Wednesday - chest = 3x7x3, back = 3x8x3
Saturday - biceps = 2x5x2, triceps = 2x6x2, shoulders = 3x7x3

and then I'll do active stuff on some of the other days
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Seems legit. My workout is very similar, for non-scientific reasons.

What lifts do you do for chest?
Flat bench, incline bench and DB flys are what I'm doing. But I'm still on a push/pull/legs split, so I also do tri's instead of back.

What lifts do you do for shoulders?
 
#5,280
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As soon as I start talking about plateaus, I go out and have one of those days. One of those days where you just feel like Bruce Banner after walking in on his wife cheating on him. I beat my personal bests on just about every lift and probably could've done more, easily if I had a spotter.

I haven't gained weight in months, though, which worries me. But I have lost body fat, so I'm not that worried. I just want to gain 7 or 8 pounds and I would be completely happy with my weight. It seems like I can never eat enough with all the running and basketball, though.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Seems legit. My workout is very similar, for non-scientific reasons.

What lifts do you do for chest?
Flat bench, incline bench and DB flys are what I'm doing. But I'm still on a push/pull/legs split, so I also do tri's instead of back.

What lifts do you do for shoulders?
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For chest last week I didn't have a spotter so I did flat bench machine, then incline hammer strength press machine, then pec deck.

Typically I'd do more with dumbbells. I don't do a ton of barbell stuff.

Shoulders I'd start with some sort of press (Arnold press is pretty cool), but I feel like guys focus too much on front delts that already get a lot of secondary work on chest day, so I mostly focus on lateral and rear raise motions both machines and dumbbells. Sometimes I start with rear. I read once that wearing out the smallest muscle group first can give you the best ROI.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, it's a legitimate excuse for most that work hard and smart in the gym and don't get bigger. I've had friends who it didn't matter if they went to the gym 5 times a week, or once, they would get bigger. They say guys like Flex Wheeler have no myostatin presence in their bodies. Look at this kid:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfT4ei2c43k[/youtube]
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Pops pumping some HGH into the kid!
 
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I've avoided the bench press for 8 weeks. I've been on a pretty good dumb bell workout. I went back to the bench again on Saturday. I usually rep 225 about 15 times max. I could only rep it 6 times. I wasn't terribly disappointed, but good god I'm sore! My chest hasn't been this sore in ages.

I tried something similar with the squat a few years back and just used the leg press. There is no substitute for the bench or the squat imo.
 
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bamacheats said:
I've avoided the bench press for 8 weeks. I've been on a pretty good dumb bell workout. I went back to the bench again on Saturday. I usually rep 225 about 15 times max. I could only rep it 6 times. I wasn't terribly disappointed, but good god I'm sore! My chest hasn't been this sore in ages.

I tried something similar with the squat a few years back and just used the leg press. There is no substitute for the bench or the squat imo.
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I'm with you on the squat, but I don't like flat barbell bench as much as I like dumbbells. I also prefer angled benches to flat. If you hit decline and incline you get all the muscles and it's less stress on your rotator.

Did you get really strong with dumbbells? I was benching 255 or so, switched to DBs and over time I built my strength and my heavy sets were with 115s. Once I tried to switch back to barbell I could only do like 225.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If you hit decline and incline you get all the muscles and it's less stress on your rotator.
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I've always felt that incline was far more stressful on my shoulder.

But I'm with you when it comes to not liking leg press or dumb bells. I'd rather do heavy compounds with a barbell any day.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm with you on the squat, but I don't like flat barbell bench as much as I like dumbbells. I also prefer angled benches to flat. If you hit decline and incline you get all the muscles and it's less stress on your rotator.

Did you get really strong with dumbbells? I was benching 255 or so, switched to DBs and over time I built my strength and my heavy sets were with 115s. Once I tried to switch back to barbell I could only do like 225.
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I felt like I was getting strong. I repped 90lb dumb bells 15 times. But I felt like I was losing size.

Must just be a body type thing, decline does absolutely nothing for me and incline does next to nothing. Flat bar bell is my best chest exercise.
 
#5,293
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Do you do decline dumbbells? That is the best. The problem with decline barbell is that the range of motion is too short. DBs can give you a wider range.
 
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Flat bench should come before incline or decline & out of those 2 incline trumps decline. You're better off doing dips than wasting time with decline. Also dumbells should supplement barbell lifts not be the primary. But to each their own
 
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govols/cc said:
Flat bench should come before incline or decline & out of those 2 incline trumps decline. You're better off doing dips than wasting time with decline. Also dumbells should supplement barbell lifts not be the primary. But to each their own
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I'm a Dorian Yates guy. He swears by decline. It works for me.
 
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Dorian Yates explains why it's the most effective chest workout at 1:40.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y86TYYpaMoA[/youtube]
 
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