The Weightlifters Thread

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n_huffhines said:
Cool story, bro. You don't have a response to the video?
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I've seen Yates & all the rest's theories & workout methods. If you take what they do then any kind of lifting you do will get great results. All Ronnie Coleman does for biceps is one armed dumbell preacher curls. Awesome what genetics & pharmaceuticals can accomplish.
 
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govols/cc said:
I've seen Yates & all the rest's theories & workout methods. If you take what they do then any kind of lifting you do will get great results. All Ronnie Coleman does for biceps is one armed dumbell preacher curls. Awesome what genetics & pharmaceuticals can accomplish.
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Cool. I was just more interested in why you think decline doesn't work. You haven't really explained that. Not trying to be a smartass, but I hear people say it doesn't work and I never get a good explanation.

I just read through at least 25 posts and nobody really gave any valid reasons why it doesn't work, whereas several people confirm what Yates says about the motion and relieving the delts and rotator. Maybe you can clue me in?

Does decline bench press even help? - Bodybuilding.com Forums
 
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n_huffhines said:
Cool. I was just more interested in why you think decline doesn't work. You haven't really explained that. Not trying to be a smartass, but I hear people say it doesn't work and I never get a good explanation.

I just read through at least 25 posts and nobody really gave any valid reasons why it doesn't work, whereas several people confirm what Yates says about the motion and relieving the delts and rotator. Maybe you can clue me in?

Does decline bench press even help? - Bodybuilding.com Forums
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I'm not saying it doesn't work just not better than flat bench. It's an awkward limited range of motion. The mindset is by some it targets lower chest. Flat bench targets the entire chest & IMO the shape of your muscle is a genetic trait so it is what it is. I've done it but its not a staple in my workout.
 
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But what I'm saying (and what Yates is saying) is that it does target the entire chest. The way I do it, I guess. You might be doing it differently.

These guys even say you can target upper chest with decline and that when you do incline you start to target delts so it actually doesn't necessarily do more for your upper chest.

How to Target the Upper and Lower Chest (Pectorals) | Sports Science .co
 
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There is nothing wrong with decline bench man. Whatever works for you. If it works for you more power to you. I use to do decline years ago just so that I could see what kind of gains I could get from it. Since I do flat bench, and incline with the barbell...I strictly did decline for the lower chest. Over a period of time I tried mixing it up to see what results I could get from doing dips, and low cable flys. The results were the same if not better. I could see their theory work if you did chest twice a week. Day 1 could be your heavy day where you would do flat bench, and incline as your barbell exercises that day. Then day 2 you could do decline with the barbell if the focus and goal was to work the entire chest. As crucial as concentration is with any exercise...I just do think decline should be considered as being better than flat bench. The thing to keep in mind is that what workout regiment one person does will work for him, but it might not work for everyone else. Everyone is different. It's why they call it weight training. Some people spend years trying to find what works best for them.
 
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I have a question for those who are really into weight lifting/body building. Why do you do it? Serious question. I've just never understood the lure of "pumping iron" to THAT degree where you're dedicating so much personal time and energy to it. Does it just become an addiction over time? I used to play sports and I've lifted weights but I NEVER thought it was enjoyable. I did it then because I had to. I never did it because I enjoyed it. I'm sure some would say for health reasons but you can be healthy with proper diet and a simple daily cardio and mild weight training routine. Is it purely for the purpose of "looking hot" to the opposite sex? Is it for self esteem purposes?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I have a question for those who are really into weight lifting/body building. Why do you do it? Serious question. I've just never understood the lure of "pumping iron" to THAT degree where you're dedicating so much personal time and energy to it. Does it just become an addiction over time? I used to play sports and I've lifted weights but I NEVER thought it was enjoyable. I did it then because I had to. I never did it because I enjoyed it. I'm sure some would say for health reasons but you can be healthy with proper diet and a simple daily cardio and mild weight training routine. Is it purely for the purpose of "looking hot" to the opposite sex? Is it for self esteem purposes?
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It's a number of things. I hate cardio. I like taking care of my body. I think weights (done properly) are the best way to stay in shape for your life. If I ran I'd be dealing with all kinds of joint pain. I think I'll look like I do until I'm 45 or so. My Dad ran like 10 marathons, and I bet I'll look better at 45 than he did at 35. I'm not a huge guy. 6' 2" 195. I'm thin, but pretty muscular.

I've always been obsessed with muscle, probably since I was like 5 and saw Conan the Barbarian. I was like, WTF there is a real life He-Man. Arnold talks about his body being like a piece of art that he takes everywhere with him. I wouldn't call my body art, but I'm proud of it. I never worked out consistently until after I got married, so I don't think opposite sex is a big factor.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I have a question for those who are really into weight lifting/body building. Why do you do it? Serious question. I've just never understood the lure of "pumping iron" to THAT degree where you're dedicating so much personal time and energy to it. Does it just become an addiction over time? I used to play sports and I've lifted weights but I NEVER thought it was enjoyable. I did it then because I had to. I never did it because I enjoyed it. I'm sure some would say for health reasons but you can be healthy with proper diet and a simple daily cardio and mild weight training routine. Is it purely for the purpose of "looking hot" to the opposite sex? Is it for self esteem purposes?
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It's called a hobby, and some people love doing it. Myself included. Some people play instruments just to get girls, and some do it for the right reasons. Weight training, much like learning to play an instrument, can be a challenge. Yes I like looking good, feeling good, and being in shape. Nothing wrong with having confidence in yourself. Yes dieting and conditioning are key, but utilizing weight training to each muscle group is just as important. As far as bodybuilding goes, yes heavy weight gets you big, but during the cutting phase is when conditioning and diet become very important. So there is an actual science to it. No, I do not use steroids, or any other performance enhancers. Yes they have shows where you are not tested, but there are also ones that you are. I enjoy competing in both. The friendships, and comradery of the dudes you workout with, and compete with is cool too.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I have a question for those who are really into weight lifting/body building. Why do you do it? Serious question. I've just never understood the lure of "pumping iron" to THAT degree where you're dedicating so much personal time and energy to it. Does it just become an addiction over time? I used to play sports and I've lifted weights but I NEVER thought it was enjoyable. I did it then because I had to. I never did it because I enjoyed it. I'm sure some would say for health reasons but you can be healthy with proper diet and a simple daily cardio and mild weight training routine. Is it purely for the purpose of "looking hot" to the opposite sex? Is it for self esteem purposes?
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Chicks.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I have a question for those who are really into weight lifting/body building. Why do you do it? Serious question. I've just never understood the lure of "pumping iron" to THAT degree where you're dedicating so much personal time and energy to it. Does it just become an addiction over time? I used to play sports and I've lifted weights but I NEVER thought it was enjoyable. I did it then because I had to. I never did it because I enjoyed it. I'm sure some would say for health reasons but you can be healthy with proper diet and a simple daily cardio and mild weight training routine. Is it purely for the purpose of "looking hot" to the opposite sex? Is it for self esteem purposes?
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It's almost an addiction for me. When I can't lift I feel like crap and my body goes through a withdrawal phase. I feel tired, stress easier, and I tend to get more moody. I have a lot going on in my life right now and the way it makes me feel keeps me sane. Looking good is more of a by product for me and not my primary motivation. Between work and various personal obligations, it's the only thing I really set aside time for myself and make a priority.

2 Weeks ago I benched more than I ever have, and I'm 35. It's a great feeling.
 
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OtterFH said:
There is nothing wrong with decline bench man. Whatever works for you. If it works for you more power to you. I use to do decline years ago just so that I could see what kind of gains I could get from it. Since I do flat bench, and incline with the barbell...I strictly did decline for the lower chest. Over a period of time I tried mixing it up to see what results I could get from doing dips, and low cable flys. The results were the same if not better. I could see their theory work if you did chest twice a week. Day 1 could be your heavy day where you would do flat bench, and incline as your barbell exercises that day. Then day 2 you could do decline with the barbell if the focus and goal was to work the entire chest. As crucial as concentration is with any exercise...I just do think decline should be considered as being better than flat bench. The thing to keep in mind is that what workout regiment one person does will work for him, but it might not work for everyone else. Everyone is different. It's why they call it weight training. Some people spend years trying to find what works best for them.
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I went through a phase for about 6 weeks where I completely cut out all barbell chest excercises and focused completely on dumbbells. Once I started back with barbells I was noticeably stronger than where I was before. I'm going to play with it a little, try to do a mix of both for 6 weeks, then do 6 weeks on and off.

I suspect it was a body acclimation thing and changing it up got me over a plateau.
 
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I'm looking to put on some more mass. I've really only ever used whey protein, and have heard both good and bad about creatine and other mass-gainers. Any advice on what I should look for?
 
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Ca$h Money Vol said:
I'm looking to put on some more mass. I've really only ever used whey protein, and have heard both good and bad about creatine and other mass-gainers. Any advice on what I should look for?
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Eat about 4K calories a day, cut out all sugar, and gorge on high protein foods. I wouldn't worry too much about your fat intake, as long as you don't go overboard.

I like amplified protein powder and creatine supplements, but they don't add mass by themselves, eating more is what will work best.
 
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Creatine is a nice way to add quick water weight if that's useful to you in sports. I don't see much use beyond that. Like RJD is outlining, there is no easy solution. You have to get the diet right. It requires so much discipline and can be expensive. There are no easy solutions, other than anabolic steroirds, and even then you have to work your ass off. Supplements are mostly a hoax. Whey protein powder is good, but shouldn't be you main source of protein.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Creatine is a nice way to add quick water weight if that's useful to you in sports. I don't see much use beyond that. Like RJD is outlining, there is no easy solution. You have to get the diet right. It requires so much discipline and can be expensive. There are no easy solutions, other than anabolic steroirds, and even then you have to work your ass off. Supplements are mostly a hoax. Whey protein powder is good, but shouldn't be you main source of protein.
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Creatine also provides an extra energy source for your muscles doing workouts, allowing you to bust out extra reps. Which leads to strength and size gains.
 
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Ca$h Money Vol said:
I'm looking to put on some more mass. I've really only ever used whey protein, and have heard both good and bad about creatine and other mass-gainers. Any advice on what I should look for?
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If you're under 30, creatine may not be needed. Unless you ingest little meat in your diet.
 
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