The whole black coach issue

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Orange_Crush said:
I am so hesitant to keep this thread going, and am posting this against my better judgment, but:

Nothing in this thread has been presented that proves or gives indication that police forces are chartered to "watch" people of color above and beyond anyone else they "watch". It is, as of now, a baseless accusation and nothing else-- much like many other ideas that have been presented to support ideals and arguments (read: nazi infiltration of the police force, legal system, etc at a high enough rate to account for prison statistics).

My brother is a police officer. Because of that, many of my city's police force are my friends (officers of many different races). They would be VERY surprised and disturbed to find that their municipal employer is chartered to "watch" people of color, and that their daily debriefings consist of that goal.

To a person/officer, they serve far more people than they are given credit for. They check in on the elderly that live alone. They protect women from abusive homes. And yes, they protect entire communities from criminal elements, whether those communities are predominately, white, black, Hispanic or Asian; and whether the suspected criminal is white, black, Hispanic or Asian.

To spout baseless accusations of widespread racism without evidence is irresponsible, maligning and racist in and of itself.

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So, as this will be my final post on this subject, I feel that I need to clarify my position-- especially considering that it has been stated that I am willingly blind, and possibly inferred that this is because I am racist. Here is my position:

If there truly is a widespread conspiracy of racist abuse of power in our government infrastructure, then it needs to be exposed, and the hammer needs to fall on the perpetrators. Here-to-for, I have seen no objective evidence that this is the case.

If there is no widespread conspiracy of racism in our government infrastructure, creating the perception of one is wrong on more than one level. The not-so-obvious consequence is that it creates a victim mentality and diverts energy away from what can actually help the plight of those involved.

If, as statistics indicate, the underlying reasons are cultural (education, gang affiliation, "gangsta/crime lifestyle", etc...) then fixating on a conspiracy that doesn't exist takes energy and attention away from fixing the cultural issues that cause the lack of success in society. As a matter of fact, it perpetrates an "us and them" mentality that reinforces the damaging cultural elements.



In either event (conspiracy verses cultural issues), my desire is to see the energy spent in such a way that the causes of all races are promoted in our society. My desire is for those statistics to change.

Since I will not post on this subject again, my prayer is that I have communicated my views in such a way that people can see my heart on the matter. Good day and God bless each of you who may read this. (Every one of you.)
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I'm a black mañ an I'm doing ok financially. Where I'm live me and my neighbors does the same things that everyone else does. Smoke an I'm not talking about cigarettes. Drink an I'm not talking water. The only time I see a police officer is when they are called.
But when I go visit friends that are not financially stable. I see cops on every corner. I been harass and what I feel racial profile.
So, don't come with that crap that police is not getting payed to watch black people.. I see it everyday. What so crazy about this, I live in both worlds...:whistling:
 
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orangepit said:
I'm a black mañ an I'm doing ok financially. Where I'm live me and my neighbors does the same things that everyone else does. Smoke an I'm not talking about cigarettes. Drink an I'm not talking water. The only time I see a police officer is when they are called.
But when I go visit friends that are not financially stable. I see cops on every corner. I been harass and what I feel racial profile.
So, don't come with that crap that police is not getting payed to watch black people.. I see it everyday. What so crazy about this, I live in both worlds...:whistling:
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It sounds more like they're paid to watch poor people.
 
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orangepit said:
Im a long ways past poor...
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I apologize. I should clarify.


orangepit said:
I'm a black mañ an I'm doing ok financially. Where I'm live me and my neighbors does the same things that everyone else does. Smoke an I'm not talking about cigarettes. Drink an I'm not talking water. The only time I see a police officer is when they are called.
But when I go visit friends that are not financially stable. I see cops on every corner. I been harass and what I feel racial profile.
So, don't come with that crap that police is not getting payed to watch black people.. I see it everyday. What so crazy about this, I live in both worlds...:whistling:
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I was just positing that, from your description, it doesn't sound as though it is racial profiling as much as economic profiling (i.e. crime has been statistically tied to economic conditions). It would seem, from a logical perspective, that if it were racial profiling, you would see the police a lot at home, as much as when you went to visit poor friends.


The fact that you are profiled in poor areas, and not at home, yet you are a black man at both places, maybe it's not so much a racial thing.
 
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Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that the black man gets a pass from the Grammar and Spelling Nazis?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I apologize. I should clarify.




I was just positing that, from your description, it doesn't sound as though it is racial profiling as much as economic profiling (i.e. crime has been statistically tied to economic conditions). It would seem, from a logical perspective, that if it were racial profiling, you would see the police a lot at home, as much as when you went to visit poor friends.


The fact that you are profiled in poor areas, and not at home, yet you are a black man at both places, maybe it's not so much a racial thing.
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The friends I visit is black. Where i live is 90% Caucasian.
What I'm saying is this we all do the same thangs... I see know difference in people. But some people do.. It's not about money its about people..
 
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orangepit said:
The friends I visit is black. Where i live is 90% Caucasian.
What I'm saying is this we all do the same thangs... I see know difference in people. But some people do.. It's not about money its about people..
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So, why is your dog chained to the fence? Maybe he wants to be free.
 
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orangepit said:
The friends I visit is black. Where i live is 90% Caucasian.
What I'm saying is this we all do the same thangs... I see know difference in people. But some people do.. It's not about money its about people..
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It would be interesting to see the crime rates of the two neighborhoods. It would be interesting to know if Caucasians are watched closely in your friend's poor neighborhood also. Knowing how short-staffed police departments are, I know they generally have a higher presence in higher crime-rate neighborhoods. Could that be it?

For the record, a black guy who isn't profiled in a white neighborhood speaks pretty well against racial profiling, in my opinion.
 
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