The whole black coach issue

#276
#276
oregonvol said:
I don't think anyone is saying that we should have diversity simply for the sake of diversity. But when you have the least number of black coaches in the conference on your staff and you are finishing 11th in recruiting in the SEC, you have to consider ways to address this. The fact remains that the majority of college football players are black. Knoxville is probably the whitest town in the SEC. Would that matter if we lived in a color blind society? No. But we don't live in a color blind society, do we?

So, you have to consider that black players may feel more comfortable with having at least a few black coaches. Doesn't mean you just get any black coach. But you have to consider their background and how they relate to players when hiring them.
Click to expand...

I get yours points, I do. But I also have seen, through my own athletic experiences as a boy and young man, situations where strong relationships of trust were forged irrespective of race/ethnicity. I've seen a white coach, on more than one occasion, act as a virtual surrogate father for a young black man to the point where a lifelong bond was built and either man would do just about anything for the other. I think we tend to generalize these race issues on a more "macro" level, when at the personal level race oftentimes has nothing to do with anything. I've seen it time and time again. I also remember hearing Ainge say that in his opinion, race has nothing to do with recruiting and that he felt he would kill it in recruiting black athletes if he were on a staff. He also gave the example if Dan Brooks, former D line coach at UT in the 90s and 2000s. Brooks would be called by some a, ahem..... Old white guy. But he was primarily responsible for bringing in a ton of stud black football players to our program year after year. Guys like Leonard Little, John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth to name a few. So I would say just dont paint with such a broad brush and assume that a white coach can't recruit a black player or a black coach can't recruit a white player. But again, I do understand the point you are making- just not sure how ironclad they are in the end.
 
#277
#277
BaldBiker said:
I just looked up some quick numbers from the 2010 census. Knoxville = 17.1% black or African American. 18.5% if you consider those who claim more than one ethnicity. U.S. average looks to be about 12.6%.

I looked real quick and did not go into a lot of depth, so those numbers may be off some, but I can't see them being so different as to change the facts too much.

In short. What a person sees with their eyes, based off of where they live or hang out, may not be what the actual facts are.

Not bashing you. Just throwing some numbers out there.
Click to expand...

Yeah I get that 17% is over the national average, but it really isn't that much compared to other towns in the south. Look at the other college towns in the SEC. Athens is 27% black. Tuscaloosa is 42% black. Gainesville is 23% black. Columbia is 42% black. It's not just my perception that Knoxville is more white than others.

And I don't mean to say that it's a bad thing overall. I think Knoxville could benefit from more racial diversity but it's not some big cause I worry about daily or anything. But I do understand that it could feel a little strange to some black kids leaving home for the first time to come to college in a place as white as Knoxville.
 
#278
#278
oregonvol said:
Yeah I get that 17% is over the national average, but it really isn't that much compared to other towns in the south. Look at the other college towns in the SEC. Athens is 27% black. Tuscaloosa is 42% black. Gainesville is 23% black. Columbia is 42% black. It's not just my perception that Knoxville is more white than others.

And I don't mean to say that it's a bad thing overall. I think Knoxville could benefit from more racial diversity but it's not some big cause I worry about daily or anything. But I do understand that it could feel a little strange to some black kids leaving home for the first time to come to college in a place as white as Knoxville.
Click to expand...


Like I said. I wasn't bashing you or your opinion. Was just putting some numbers on the table. Those numbers may even prove your point to some extent. I haven't looked up the numbers for other college towns, so I will take your word for them.

I think maybe your use of diverse is what is throwing other posters off. If what you mean is...as compared to the other college towns in the SEC, you may in fact be correct, but I really can't answer for or aginst you, as I am not a young black man wanting to play college football in the SEC.
 
#279
#279
1972 Grad said:
Are they prosecuted for using or for selling? Are they caught with drugs while they were doing something else ?
Click to expand...


Briefly... You also must note the sentences carried by drug. Crack sale and possession carries a greater sentence than weed, etc...

Also, and I won't post a long post because I don't want to keep feeding this debate, but k-town's statistics are greatly inflated. You can get the overall incarceration rates, by race, here. Interestingly, the site mentions in section 8 that there is a racial disparity in sentencing, but it is unknown if this is because of "relevant differences in population", prior arrest records, etc. and specifically said that more research needs to be performed to know if it is due to systemic issues. i.e. That the statistical results needs to take into account many more statistical factors.

You can also go here and here to see that his drug use by race statistic was also greatly inflated. The latter link also lists illicit drug use, broken down by education level, employment, and geographic region.

Interestingly, the first link shows that overall prison population for males, by race = 32.4% white, 38.7% black, 23.1% Hispanic, which doesn't indicate a conspiracy to lock away based on race.
 
#281
#281
As a matter of fact John Chavis coached at Alabama A&M for a while. And Rex Ryan's dad coached at TSU to learn defense from Joe Gilliiam SR
 
#282
#282
#284
#284
The Southern Poverty Law Center? What a joke...if those are the "experts", I am laughing. THE SPLC is about as left wing as it gets, to the point that they deemed Chik-Fil-A a hate group. In fact it was their designation that led that nutcase to commit murder. Ridiculous.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#285
#285
PowerSweep said:
The Southern Poverty Law Center? What a joke...if those are the "experts", I am laughing. THE SPLC is about as left wing as it gets, to the point that they deemed Chik-Fil-A a hate group. In fact it was their designation that led that nutcase to commit murder. Ridiculous.
Click to expand...
Anyone who doesn't agree with SPLC's view of the world is a hate group. Typical left wing big tent intolerant politics.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#286
#286
1972 Grad said:
Anyone who doesn't agree with SPLC's view of the world is a hate group. Typical left wing big tent intolerant politics.
Click to expand...


I am a hate group unto myself. I hate all of you bastages, and don't you forget it!




















Oh yeah.... and






















GO VOLS!
:)
 
#289
#289
RE SPLC..One of the insidious ways in which media is so left wing biased...groups who are explicitly left wing are rarely id'd as such
 
#290
#290
Orange_Crush said:
Fairness to the conversation dictates that we mention the fact that two Chattanooga PD police officers were just fired due to a pretty horrendous excessive force video from November.

Chattanooga Police Chief Bobby Dodd: Officers' actions excessive (with videos) | timesfreepress.com
Click to expand...

I truly don't consider that excessive. If he would have complied, the would have stopped hitting him. Yet, he kept resisting.

I'm not going to overanalyze their every action. The suspect ran. They got him back. They asked him to roll over and put his hands behind his back. He refused, and they used a none lethal means to get him to comply.
 
#291
#291
I just read through this thread and it appears Volnation has solved all race related problems in the universe. Thread may be closed now and stickied for posterity.
 
#292
#292
thebjd said:
I just read through this thread and it appears Volnation has solved all race related problems in the universe. Thread may be closed now and stickied for posterity.
Click to expand...
At the very least, we have made huge inroads into bridging the racial divide.
 
#294
#294
WoodsmanVol said:
Fair enough. Anti-government extremist groups increasing, say experts - CNN.com
Click to expand...

A report released Tuesday by the Southern Poverty Law Center counted 1,360 "patriot" extremist groups in 2012 -- up by 7% from 2011. The study defines patriot groups as anti-government militias driven by their fear that authorities will strip them of their guns and liberties.

"They believe the Constitution is being raped. With hate groups, things are going to get worse because they feel like they're in battle," said David Gletty a former FBI informant who spent time undercover with various militia and extremist groups. "It's not surprising with their hatred of President (Barack) Obama that there are even more hate groups out there."
Click to expand...

Sounds absolutely fair, balanced and unbiased. Doesn't sound at all as if they are describing pretty much anyone who disagrees with their left-leaning beliefs and agenda. Doesn't sound as if they are trying to classify anyone who believes in small government as potentially violent and crazy. Doesn't sound at all as though they are fear-mongering and poisoning the well against anyone they view as a political adversary.

This sounds like the most inclusive and open-minded group I can imagine, and that they are very tolerant of differing perspectives.

[/sarcasm]
 
#298
#298
k-town_king said:
You are choosing to ignore the statistics that show the racism. 85% of drug users are White but 87% percent of people prosecuted for drugs are Black. Most Black people in jail are there for drug related offenses. You have no argument. There is an easy to see system to prosecute an imprison people of color .
Click to expand...
How do you come by these percentages? Do drug users have a registry? To say that 85% of every illicit drug user is a certain race is asinine.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top