The whole black coach issue

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#126
Yeah, and for the morons who say we needed a black coach well you got it. Good thing Coach Jones can say hello recruit, meet our one black coach. Man, that will make a huge difference. Don't mind the fact that when Coah Jones takes them to our NFL evaluation center in the new facilities that it won't matter. It's our Lone Ranger, CRG. I am being sarcastic of course. Players want to win, compete for championships, and play the league.
 
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NEOCON said:
Isn't it slightly racist to say we need a black guy on the staff because black kids don't relate well with white guys?
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It is all about filling a quota. If you hire the best possible candidate, who may be white, then you did not include a black person, so you are prejudice.

However; setting aside a quota based on a person race and not their performance is harmful to them.
 
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NEOCON said:
Isn't it slightly racist to say we need a black guy on the staff because black kids don't relate well with white guys?
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If we didn't have a black person on the staff, then that could be used as a tool for negative recruiting against us. "Do you really want to go to U.T.? They are prejudice, they have no black coaches on their staff."

Just fill the quota and it seems to make everyone happy. Nevermind if the person is qualified for the position or not..
 
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smokey0625 said:
Yeah, and for the morons who say we needed a black coach well you got it. Good thing Coach Jones can say hello recruit, meet our one black coach. Man, that will make a huge difference. Don't mind the fact that when Coah Jones takes them to our NFL evaluation center in the new facilities that it won't matter. It's our Lone Ranger, CRG. I am being sarcastic of course. Players want to win, compete for championships, and play the league.
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You do know we have more than 1 black coach, right?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You do know we have more than 1 black coach, right?
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Yeah, I believe I said heavy sarcasm. Many folks demanding a black coach acted as if we did not. And, don't act like we are Grambling either. We don't have many, which is why the freak-outs were upset. My point is that now we have a new black coach, well we should sign every recruit that cared about the color of the staff. If that's the case, why wouldn't Sumlin get every black kid to go to A&M?
 
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I wonder how many less 4 and 5 star running backs CJG would have gotten UT if he was white?
 
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NEOCON said:
I wonder how many less 4 and 5 star running backs CJG would have gotten UT if he was white?
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ill be straight with u.

health/well being, mortgage, electricity, car payment, these are the things that i concern myself with.

color of ones skin.

does not even show on the radar.
 
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VolsByNature said:
Why?
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It can't be both ways.

Can't say he didn't hire me cause I am black it's not fair that my skin color came into play and then turn around and say you need to hire someone specifically because they are black and not white.

The whole thing is absurd.

The only difference between me and a black guy is that I have to pay money and lay in a tanning bed to get what he was already born with. Beyond that, you cut me or him and we start looking exactly the same.

Blind people in a room would not be able to tell the difference between a Black british woman or a White British woman. So at the end of the day all we have is a darker shade of skin.

A,m I suppose to make a big deal out of people who have blue eyes bcause I have brown? Oh, my...you have blue eyes. I must dance around this subject all day and be PC because by God if I mention it's not a big F'n deal and I may be viewed as an evil person.
 
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NEOCON said:
It can't be both ways.

Can't say he didn't hire me cause I am black it's not fair that my skin color came into play and then turn around and say you need to hire someone specifically because they are black and not white.

The whole thing is absurd.

The only difference between me and a black guy is that I have to pay money and lay in a tanning bed to get what he was already born with. Beyond that, you cut me or him and we start looking exactly the same.

Blind people in a room would not be able to tell the difference between a Black british woman or a White British woman. So at the end of the day all we have is a darker shade of skin.

A,m I suppose to make a big deal out of people who have blue eyes bcause I have brown? Oh, my...you have blue eyes. I must dance around this subject all day and be PC because by God if I mention it's not a big F'n deal and I may be viewed as an evil person.
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I'll agree to an extent. When I hear "first American American coach" this or "best winning record for an African American coach" I ask myself, why does it matter? He should just be included in the coaching stats all together.

However, if the coaching staff believes that they need a black coach in order to relate to recruits, then by all means. Right?
 
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NEOCON said:
Isn't it slightly racist to say we need a black guy on the staff because black kids don't relate well with white guys?
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Only slightly more racist than creating this thread.

On a serious note, no one said that black kids don't relate well with white coaches (I assume that's what you're referring to). The concern was about whether or not black athletes need some black coaches on staff to adjust and adapt to college as well as adult life in a professional world, that, quite frankly, may not look like the communities from which many of them came.

And on another note, given your history of posts in the "Politics" forum, I have no clue whether or not to take you seriously at the moment.
 
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volprof said:
Only slightly more racist than creating this thread.

On a serious note, no one said that black kids don't relate well with white coaches (I assume that's what you're referring to). The concern was about whether or not black athletes need some black coaches on staff to adjust and adapt to college as well as adult life in a professional world, that, quite frankly, may not look like the communities from which many of them came.

And on another note, given your history of posts in the "Politics" forum, I have no clue whether or not to take you seriously at the moment.
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Find one post I have ever posted where I stated I care what type of skin color my neighbor is, my daughters date, or that it would impact the type of person I would hire and then you can label me as a racist.

I have actually posted a would rather my daughters date a moral, christian black guy, who would treat them great, than a white guy who had no morals at all. Archie Bunker would never say this. If my daughter fell in love with a black kid from church and he was a good kid then I'd be happy for her and welcome him into the family with open arms.

Skin color is nothing more than appearance to me.
 
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DarthVisor said:
*African American
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Yeah, thats cute with that picture you have to represent yourself. It never ceases to amaze me that some black people want to be called African American. If they want that I want to be called an Anglo American and I want people to stop sterotyping us, my family never owned a slave and i don't feel as if i have anything to appoligize for. I hate that black people were and have been discriminated against, and yeah it probably still exists, but not all Anglo's think they are better than black people.
 
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Oh! Correct me if i'm wrong I think that TN was the first team in the SEC to have a black quarterback, so I think other schools are shooting themselves in the foot if they want to try to portray TN as a racist school. Hell, the Gov. of Ala stood in the doorway trying to block black people from entering the University. I don't recall that happening at TN.
 
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NEOCON said:
Isn't it slightly racist to say we need a black guy on the staff because black kids don't relate well with white guys?
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In a roundabout way, I agree. But then two realities must be realized whether they are liked or not. One, because of what America is, Black kids come from a background very different from White kids. So need a "just like me" model. I don't expect you to understand this until you have lived their lives.

Two, is that Black, White, and any shade of the rainbow, humans unless pushed hard to change will remain at the status quo. Also part of "two" is the fact that people in power will seek to set the table so they remain in power. This sets the stage for appeasement but not actual attitude change within the power community. Thus you see statements like yours which are designed to raise arguments that seek to justify the status quo. You need look no farther than our vaunted military and try counting the number of Blacks in elite units such as air force pilots, Navy S.E.A.Ls etc. Yet Blacks in the army at least are often training instructors - but in general just grunts denied access to upper level positions except in a very few rare cases. It's the power structure. Despite valiant service in all our wars from the Indian wars, Spanish-American debacle in Cuba on up to Afghanistan today.

So while your statement is correct on one level, it is so because of attitudes within American society. You won't admit it but if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd insist on having role models the White kid could relate to. And frankly, I'd agree with you on that too.

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick (1928 - 1982)
 
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UTvolinBGKY said:
Giving a guy a job ONLY because he is black is an absolute joke.
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With maybe an extreme reverse racist or two, people here don't mean what you're implying. And you know it.

Just the opposite, most whatever their ethnic would agree with you. But when it's used as an excuse to neither recruit nor hire a Black coach, the joke's on whoever is applying this excuse.

A sincere reading of this and similar threads shows that such an absolutist position isn't held by most posters advocating a balanced staff. The odd thing is, they are advocating the psychological well-being of players who don the orange and white. But some people are so blinded by the fog of their own bias, they will never see this even if the fog is lifted.
 
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NEOCON said:
It can't be both ways.

Can't say he didn't hire me cause I am black it's not fair that my skin color came into play and then turn around and say you need to hire someone specifically because they are black and not white.

The whole thing is absurd.

The only difference between me and a black guy is that I have to pay money and lay in a tanning bed to get what he was already born with. Beyond that, you cut me or him and we start looking exactly the same.

Blind people in a room would not be able to tell the difference between a Black british woman or a White British woman. So at the end of the day all we have is a darker shade of skin.

A,m I suppose to make a big deal out of people who have blue eyes bcause I have brown? Oh, my...you have blue eyes. I must dance around this subject all day and be PC because by God if I mention it's not a big F'n deal and I may be viewed as an evil person.
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Not being snide or insulting on any level. But the statement that a blind person wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a Black British woman or a White British woman, you have a link? Seriously, I'm curious. I worked briefly with the blind in Arizona and they could always tell if the person was Black or Mexican. The manner of pronouncing certain words, voice timbre, and a few even claimed how the speaker breathed between words.It stands to reason this would be true with Brits too but I don't know. Hence the request for a link. I'm seriously interested in the language field.
 
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