The WRASSLIN’ Thread

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Notorious B.E.N said:
Toni Storm is a "sports entertainer", look at her gimmick. Doesn't get anymore entertainer than that.
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That's her gimmick. Doesn't take away the fact that she is an incredible technical wrestler.

When Rick Martel was "the model" did that take away his ability as one of the best in the world?

When Owen Hart was the Blue Blazer, did that mean he was no longer one the best technical wrestlers in the world?

When Matt Riddle became a stoner, did that mean that he couldn't rip your arm off if he wanted to?

Gimmick means nothing. Gimmick is what brings the eyes and the $$ to see what you can do.

It works both ways man, we could go on and on. I love sports entertainment as much as wrestling. But when you are building a match as something akin to an instant classic and fail to let the performers shine doing what they do best, I have a problem with that.

I think we are arguing totally different points when it comes down to it though.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I'd put Rhea in the argument. Not so much on the other 3. Sasha at one time, but not anymore. I prefer Io, Asuka, and Bayley to them. But "best wrestler" has some pretty nebulous criteria. It's not just about in ring acumen. It's really subjective and has a lot to do with booking.
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I don't know how I forgot Rhea. I would indeed include her. And Emi Sakura.
 
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VolInNorthCack said:
That's her gimmick. Doesn't take away the fact that she is an incredible technical wrestler.

When Rick Martel was "the model" did that take away his ability as one of the best in the world?

When Owen Hart was the Blue Blazer, did that mean he was no longer one the best technical wrestlers in the world?

When Matt Riddle became a stoner, did that mean that he couldn't rip your arm off if he wanted to?

Gimmick means nothing. Gimmick is what brings the eyes and the $$ to see what you can do.

It works both ways man, we could go on and on. I love sports entertainment as much as wrestling. But when you are building a match as something akin to an instant classic and fail to let the performers shine doing what they do best, I have a problem with that.

I think we are arguing totally different points when it comes down to it though.
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You say Rhea, Bianca, Sasha, Bayley aren't as good, they're just "sports entertainers", so i had to point out Toni is also a sports entertainer. They're all incredibly good wrestlers and not because of camera cuts or whatever you said. I like Toni and Deonna too.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
You say Rhea, Bianca, Sasha, Bayley aren't as good, they're just "sports entertainers", so i jad to point out Toni is also a sports entertainer. They're all incredibly good wrestlers and not because of camera cuts or whatever you said. I like Toni and Deonna too.
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No problem at all man. Everybody likes who they like and we all have different preferences in what we like to see in matches. All good.

That's what makes this thread so good
 
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So... Do Darby and Sting win? And Sting retires and Darby has to find a new partner?

Or do the Young EVP Bucks end it like Shawn did to Flair? I'm expecting an EVP trigger with an "I'm Sorry" a'la Shawn Michaels/Ric Flair.
 
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