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thebjd said:
I am not saying that to justify it. I really don't have to justify it. Civilization expanded west and the progress wasn't always pleasant. If they live as native Americans then why do they care if the education system is subpar. Chipping rocks doesn't require a degree in physics. I know I am a bit over the top but it gets tiring listening to people that faced no true hardships in their entire life living in today's world judging a society with an entirely different set of values. I mentioned Lewis and Clark because they faced real dangers from the native Americans and also carefully chronicled the relationships with the tribes. Think of giving up evereything you have in Europe or in the colonies to come and carve a life from literally nothing. We no longer look at the explorer as the heroes they were. We can't take back nor should we what has happened in the past. Manifest Destiny or whatever you choose to call it happened. The world is better because the United States exists even with all of our flaws and our mistake filled past.
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I don't even know where to begin to respond to this post. So I won't begin at all.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Saying he knew at a very young age wasn't good enough for you? The interviewer didn't ask him directly "were you born gay?" but if he had I'm sure his answer would have been "yes". I'm betting he will be asked that question at some point soon now that he's out and it's a big national story.

So you think Michael Sam, at a very young age, was attracted to females but decided he would fight that urge and be attracted to males instead?
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I have no idea and neither do you.
 
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This thread makes me wish for days of piety…..and I'm an old heterosexual perv….
Maybe I never will understand the obsession our society has with other people's genitalia and how they use them.

Damn you Conway Twitty for singing all those nasty songs!
 
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BearCat204 said:
"New" study from 1999??? Seems legit
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Does not make it any less credible.

I don`t why people are gay but those that argue they were born that way have no more proof than those that say it is a choice. At the end of the day it really does not matter how they got that way.
 
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ric1958 said:
This is not concrete evidence one way or the other and neither was my link. Truth is there isn`t any real proof one way or the other.
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There is not anything conclusive at this time, I agree. However as someone who is gay I can assure you there was no choice involved. I am 100% sure my sexuality is innate. Do you believe your heterosexuality is innate or did you choose at some point in life? How you answer that question personally is the best way to understand.
 
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Lexvol said:
This thread makes me wish for days of piety…..and I'm an old heterosexual perv….
Maybe I never will understand the obsession our society has with other people's genitalia and how they use them.

Damn you Conway Twitty for singing all those nasty songs!
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I'm lyin' here with Linda on my mind. Could he have meant I'm lying here with Larry on my mind?
 
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ric1958 said:
This is not concrete evidence one way or the other and neither was my link. Truth is there isn`t any real proof one way or the other.
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It all goes back to when we stopped keeping score in t-ball. :loco:
 
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I don't want to get involved in that cooking thread. Trying to maintain my figure here. Just offensive.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Kind of like god. No proof.
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Proof is all around you. Is it not amazing to have something we call sun that is just the right size, heat, and distance to give us light and yet is just right temp. Then we got mountains, oceans, insects that we can not even count how many, and animals. Then there is the way the Earth works so perfectly together, such as trees giving off oxygen and I could go on and on. I hope you are not taking me wrong, because I truly do want you and others to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and not trying to be obnoxious or anything else.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Kind of like god. No proof.
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If we remove God from this discussion, I'd be interested to hear an athiest or agnostic's explanation of what scientifically proven evolutionary process gave rise to a set of moral standards unique to earth and specifically the human race that makes it always the right answer for every person and culture to embrace homosexuality and agitate vigorously for the rights of homosexuals.
 
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vol2002 said:
If we remove God from this discussion, I'd be interested to hear an athiest or agnostic's explanation of what scientifically proven evolutionary process gave rise to a set of moral standards unique to earth and specifically the human race that makes it always the right answer for every person and culture to embrace homosexuality and agitate vigorously for the rights of homosexuals.
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scientifically prove the subjectivity of morals?
 
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Ron Swanson said:
You see what gcbvol posted above? There was no choice, just the way he was born.
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Just like for example I could struggle with lust, it is just the giving in to a desire. God did not make him gay, but Satan can deceive us to justify a sin. I can not say, well I can not help it, the desire to look is too hard. It is with God's strength we can turn away from sin. I can not just grit my teeth and do it on my own.
 
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