Theisman says Tebow should Retire

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Sudeepvol said:
Again, whatever Meyer's doing is obviously working, but I've just got to wonder when his success will come to an abrupt halt.
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I don't think it'll come to an abrupt halt but I do think it will slow considerably. As much as I hate to agree with that West Coast Punk Coach, he was right to say that Bama is the team to beat. Meyer will still have some good years and wins but Saban is top dog right now.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
QBs, RBs, OL? Thanks.

Let's not forget about how Chris Leak's growth as a QB was retarded when Urban took over.
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You mean the same Chris Leak who set SEC passing records and won MVP in the national title game. THAT Chris Leak?

Again, how many Pro Bowl QBs does Bama have in the NFL? Clearly Greg McElroy is regretting his decision to play for a guy like Saban who CLEARLY has no clue how to develop NFL QBs....and he runs a pro-style offense!!! Why would anyone want to play for that guy?

RBs I agree with you. We relied way too much on Tebow and it cost us with elite recruits like Trent Richardson. Hopefully Moody gets more carries and Mack Brown turns out to be the real deal.

And UF's OL recruiting has been extremely solid under Meyer. Not sure why you felt the need to bring that up. Next fall both Pounceys, Carl Johnson and Marcus Gilbert will all be on NFL rosters.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You mean the same Chris Leak who set SEC passing records and won MVP in the national title game. THAT Chris Leak?

Again, how many Pro Bowl QBs does Bama have in the NFL? Clearly Greg McElroy is regretting his decision to play for a guy like Saban who CLEARLY has no clue how to develop NFL QBs....and he runs a pro-style offense!!! Why would anyone want to play for that guy?

RBs I agree with you. We relied way too much on Tebow and it cost us with elite recruits like Trent Richardson. Hopefully Moody gets more carries and Mack Brown turns out to be the real deal.

And UF's OL recruiting has been extremely solid under Meyer. Not sure why you felt the need to bring that up. Next fall both Pounceys, Carl Johnson and Marcus Gilbert will all be on NFL rosters.
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How many Pro-Bowl QBs does any school have in the NFL? Somewhere between 0 and 1. That's not a very solid argument.

Why is McElroy regretting playing for Saban? He had a solid year and torched the Gators winning the SECCG MVP. If improves next year he'll probably be a third round draft pick.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
This is what I'm saying. Pro-style runners (no matter how talented they are) just don't fit in his system. He wants guys like a Rainey or a Demps, which is why I still don't understand why guys like Mack Brown want to go to UF when they have all the potential in the world.
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Here I thought you were saying UF can't develop NFL-ready QBs because of the system they run.

Apparently neither can Alabama.

And what does Mack Brown's potential have to do with going to UF over another school? For 4 years rival coaches used Tebow's presence as a negative to prospective RB recruits, and for the most part it worked. Now Tebow is gone, and we get a commit like Mack Brown.

It's not rocket science.
 
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tri_vol said:
How many Pro-Bowl QBs does any school have in the NFL? Somewhere between 0 and 1. That's not a very solid argument.

Why is McElroy regretting playing for Saban? He had a solid year and torched the Gators winning the SECCG MVP. If improves next year he'll probably be a third round draft pick.
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I see my use of hyperbole was lost on you.

Simple point: Neither Meyer nor Saban has a successful track record in developing NFL QBs. That is all.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Here I thought you were saying UF can't develop NFL-ready QBs because of the system they run.

Apparently neither can Alabama.

And what does Mack Brown's potential have to do with going to UF over another school? For 4 years rival coaches used Tebow's presence as a negative to prospective RB recruits, and for the most part it's worked. Now Tebow is gone, and we get a commit like Mack Brown.

It's not rocket science.
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Why do you keep banging on Bama? Their QBs make the league your QBs don't.

You are right about one thing. It's not the system. It's Meyer. He doesn't know how to improve a QB's IQ and talent.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I see my use of hyperbole was lost on you.

Simple point: Neither Meyer nor Saban has a successful track record in developing NFL QBs. That is all.
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And I see my use of simple facts were lost on you.

Simpler Point: At least Saban can point to QBs that played for him and then played in the NFL. Meyer can't do that.
 
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tri_vol said:
Why do you keep banging on Bama? Their QBs make the league your QBs don't.

You are right about one thing. It's not the system. It's Meyer. He doesn't know how to improve a QB's IQ and talent.
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Clearly he's a horrible coach with nothing to offer a HS QB with dreams to play in the NFL.

If simply making the league is the end game, then you have no argument. Alex Smith, Chris Leak and even Tebow will get drafted. Meyer's QBs make the league just like Saban's.

Neither coach has had a QB flourish at the next level, yet you hold it over Meyer's head and not Saban's.
 
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tri_vol said:
And I see my use of simple facts were lost on you.

Simpler Point: At least Saban can point to QBs that played for him and then played in the NFL. Meyer can't do that.
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Yes, the kid who was selected #1 in the 2005 NFL draft played college ball for someone other than Urban Meyer.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Clearly he's a horrible coach with nothing to offer a HS QB with dreams to play in the NFL.

If simply making the league is the end game, then you have no argument. Alex Smith, Chris Leak and even Tebow will get drafted. Meyer's QBs make the league just like Saban's.

Neither coach has had a QB flourish at the next level, yet you hold it over Meyer's head and not Saban's.
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Pretty sure Leak didn't get drafted. Tebow won't get drafted as a QB. I'll give you Alex Smith but like I said before there where huge question marks about him in 05. The Niners would love to have that pick back.

Saban wasn't at LSU long enough to prove anything. If McElroy doesn't get drafted and his next qb has issues then he'll face the same problem as Meyer.

The fact remains that at least Saban's guys have the fundamentals. When a qb shows up in at the Senior Bowl and can't take a snap under center, that is really bad.
 
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tri_vol said:
Pretty sure Leak didn't get drafted. Tebow won't get drafted as a QB. I'll give you Alex Smith but like I said before there where huge question marks about him in 05. The Niners would love to have that pick back.

Saban wasn't at LSU long enough to prove anything. If McElroy doesn't get drafted and his next qb has issues then he'll face the same problem as Meyer.

The fact remains that at least Saban's guys have the fundamentals. When a qb shows up in at the Senior Bowl and can't take a snap under center, that is really bad.
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Leak was fundamentally sound but didn't have an NFL arm. I'm not sure how Leak's physical shortcomings are Meyer's fault.

Tebow is what Tebow always has been. He was at best a 2nd day draft pick going into the Senior Bowl and he did absolutely nothing to change that.

And how much time does Saban get? I guess his time at Michigan State doesn't count.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What you're saying is nonsense.

Urban Meyer does not get a bonus from UF for developing a first-round NFL draft picks at QB. He's paid to win games and championships. Period.
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I can promise you that if he doesn't develop NFL draft picks, he won't be coaching very much longer. Kids don't continue to attend a school that can't get them to the league.
 
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jwells said:
I can promise you that if he doesn't develop NFL draft picks, he won't be coaching very much longer. Kids don't continue to attend a school that can't get them to the league.
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No, you can't promise that.

Meyer has been successful wherever he's coached, and the fact that he doesn't have a high profile NFL QB to point to has no effect whatsoever in his ability to bring in top flight talent to fit his system at UF.

If all HS QBs cared about was which college had the most QBs in the NFL, every pro-style recruit would flock to Michigan or Southern Cal. It doesn't matter nearly as much as you think (or hope) it does.
 
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GAVol said:
I always thought that loopy thing he did with the ball behind his head before he threw it was goofy.
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I always liked his lil pirouettes trying to run the option


Lawrence..give it up buddy..I dont think you can make your point any clearer
 
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NCGatorBait said:
I always liked his lil pirouettes trying to run the option


Lawrence..give it up buddy..I dont think you can make your point any clearer
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You know what I really liked?

When Chris Leak would get all excited and start hopping up and down before running the first play from scrimmage.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Agree 100%.

Apparently Nick Saban has done a horrible job of preparing his QBs for the next level also. I'm sure the Bama fans are beyond pissed about this.
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Funny...The people that won the Gators those championships are in the NFL or sure fire picks to go to the NFL. Harvin, Jarvis Moss, Dunlap, Haden, Eye gouger, Hernandez, Derrick Harvey, Reggie Nelson, etc. Maybe Charlie was more adept at putting people in the league. Harvin and Hernandez are/were locks to the league solely on talent and potential/need at the position.
 
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lylsmorr said:
Funny...The people that won the Gators those championships are in the NFL or sure fire picks to go to the NFL. Harvin, Jarvis Moss, Dunlap, Haden, Eye gouger, Hernandez, Derrick Harvey, Reggie Nelson, etc. Maybe Charlie was more adept at putting people in the league. Harvin and Hernandez are/were locks to the league solely on talent and potential/need at the position.
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That last sentence makes no sense. Aren't all "can't miss" NFL prospects exceptionally talented?

As for the rest of your post, I tend to agree with you. UF built its championships based on strong defenses, not the gimmick offense some people here are so critical of. UF just laid the groundwork for another run with this last defensive class. Hopefully these kids will pan out.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That last sentence makes no sense. Aren't all "can't miss" NFL prospects exceptionally talented?

As for the rest of your post, I tend to agree with you. UF built its championships based on strong defenses, not the gimmick offense some people here are so critical of. UF just laid the groundwork for another run with this last defensive class. Hopefully these kids will pan out.
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A good amount of players get drafted/signed based on fundamentals and decision making, such as quarterbacks. That's where I was mostly going with that last sentence. Vick was as talented as they come but couldn't win it all because he didn't have the decision making abilities, or consistent accuracy to be successful as a passing QB. A quarterback can't make it on potential alone, in the league.

See: Kurt Warner for proof of the bold
 
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that Urban Meyer, he can't coach a lick. I can't believe Tennessee has never beaten him:banghead2:
 
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ih8danoles said:
that Urban Meyer, he can't coach a lick. I can't believe Tennessee has never beaten him:banghead2:
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Out of everything in this thread that's all you can come up with? Who even brought Meyer up? I just replied to the OP and barely read any posts, so that's a serious question
 
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