Theisman says Tebow should Retire

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jwells said:
Gator fans:

Pay attention. I'm going to write out little bitty words you can understand:

I did NOT say Meyer couldn't develop any NFL talent.

I DID day that he didn't develop Tebow.

I did NOT say that he says those things to recruits.

I DID say anyone who would tell a recruit anything contrary to getting him ready for the NFL won't last long. Of course, he could be some "really great guy and mentor" in high school. Or at Maryville College.

I did NOT say that players ONLY want to be in the NFL.

I DID say that they look for schools that CAN get them in the league, then pick a school based on where they'll fit in for 3-4 years.


READ, COMPREHEND, THINK, then post. Of course, I know that's asking a lot from a group constantly defending a drama-queen coach and a QB that won't play on Sundays.
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I like how you change your argument from one post to the next. :eek:lol:

Here's a direct quote from you....

Again, since you haven't comprehended me: I didn't say Meyer and his staff can't prepare players, in general, for the NFL. What they have not done is prepare a QB for the NFL, and if they go around telling recruits that they aren't helping them get to the next level, they won't be around too much longer.
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So first it's Meyer can't develop QBs for the NFL. When I bring up the fact that all but one of his QBs were drafted, you conveniently change the argument to "he didn't develop Tebow". Well guess what, in spite of all that's wrong with Tebow, some team will draft him too.

You then say on several occasions that unless Meyer is telling recruits he will get them ready for the NFL "he won't last very long". There's so much wrong with that statement I don't know where to begin.

I don't know what Meyer is telling recruits, but I can guarantee you he's not LEADING his pitch with how he's going to develop them for the NFL. A kid can tear an ACL his freshman year and never be the same. I want a coach who can teach THAT kid how to prepare himself for a life outside of football in case the unthinkable happens. You'd want the same for your son if he suffered a serious injury. A very small percentage of college players make the NFL.

You also said this....

I DID say that they look for schools that CAN get them in the league, then pick a school based on where they'll fit in for 3-4 years.
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Tebow was recruited the same year Alex Smith was the #1 pick in the draft. Meyer had a track record of getting his QBs drafted. Meyer's offense was the perfect fit for Tebow, considering he ran nearly the same exact offense at Nease HS. Sounds to me like Tebow took your advice to the letter.
 
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tennfever said:
Don't think Fla has sufferred much. Wth or without QB NFL type training
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It doesn't hurt when at least 3 of your players(last year anyways) rub sub-4.4 forty times and you have a fullback playing quarterback. Since Tebow was the starter, they have had more rushing TD's than passing TD's...by far
 
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lylsmorr said:
It doesn't hurt when at least 3 of your players(last year anyways) rub sub-4.4 forty times and you have a fullback playing quarterback. Since Tebow was the starter, they have had more rushing TD's than passing TD's...by far
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that tends to happen when you have 3 guys who very frequently bust out 40+ yard runs for TD's.
 
#82
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ih8danoles said:
I know, right? He did a fantastic job getting Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy ready for those spectacular rookie seasons they both just had.
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Harvin could have gotten drafted out of high school as electric as he was. How is Louis Murphy doing? Man I'm surprised he didn't make the Pro Bowl this year as good as he was.
 
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ih8danoles said:
that tends to happen when you have 3 guys who very frequently bust out 40+ yard runs for TD's.
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Thanks for re-iterating that for me, I guess. And most of the rush TD's were Tebow's <5 yard runs. No one came close to him in TD numbers in the past 3 years.
 
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lylsmorr said:
Harvin could have gotten drafted out of high school as electric as he was. How is Louis Murphy doing? Man I'm surprised he didn't make the Pro Bowl this year as good as he was.
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Louis Murphy was a 2* WR coming out of HS.

He started as a rookie in the NFL.

Thank God Charlie Strong was our WR coach.
 
#87
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Nice work, OP. Wave one little piece of anti-UF linkage around in the air, and all our resident Gators come screaming out of the trees, brandishing their knotted-up ladyparts. For a school that's won so much in the last few years, they are just so sensitive.
 
#88
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tennfever said:
Don't think Fla has sufferred much. Wth or without QB NFL type training
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Very true.

A more legit criticism of Meyer would be the lack of pro-style tailbacks on the roster. Moody looks the part, but he can't get out of Meyer's dog house for whatever reason.
 
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You know he actually made some good points here.....sad though....but true. :hi:
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Louis Murphy was a 2* WR coming out of HS.

He started as a rookie in the NFL.

Thank God Charlie Strong was our WR coach.
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You guys continually bring up Harvin and Murphy. You have anyone else worth mentioning on offense in the NFL?

(And Murphy was a 3 *...try not to bend the truth to fit your argument)
 
#93
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Lawrence Wright said:
Does it matter?

A kid expected to do very little coming out of HS eventually developed into an NFL starter as a rookie.
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To be fair...Bruce Gradkowski, Justin Fargas, Michael Bush, Charlie Frye, Darrius Heyward-Bey all started for the Raiders. I wouldn't exactly call most of them NFL type talent. It's just a franchise in the cellar of the NFL.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
You guys continually bring up Harvin and Murphy. You have anyone else worth mentioning on offense in the NFL?

(And Murphy was a 3 *...try not to bend the truth to fit your argument)
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Harvin could have gone pro after his sophomore year. The kid was special. Our coaches get credit for recruiting him, but that's about it.

I brought up Murphy. He was initially a 2*, but we're splitting hairs at this point. This past season Louis had more receiving yards and TDs than your own Kelley Washington, who many thought would be a flat out stud in the NFL. But I guess nothing short of Murph breaking the NFL rookie record for catches, yards and TDs will satisfy you.
 
#95
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lylsmorr said:
To be fair...Bruce Gradkowski, Justin Fargas, Michael Bush, Charlie Frye, Darrius Heyward-Bey all started for the Raiders. I wouldn't exactly call most of them NFL type talent. It's just a franchise in the cellar of the NFL.
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You only mentioned one WR there, and it only took a game or two before Murphy shot past him on the depth chart.

Don't confuse the Raiders making another stupid draft selection (Heyward-Bey) with Murphy performing on the field against NFL defenses...with a horrible QB throwing him passes.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Harvin could have gone pro after his sophomore year. The kid was special. Our coaches get credit for recruiting him, but that's about it.

I brought up Murphy. He was initially a 2*, but we're splitting hairs at this point. This past season Louis had more receiving yards and TDs than your own Kelley Washington, who many thought would be a flat out stud in the NFL. But I guess nothing short of Murph breaking the NFL rookie record for catches, yards and TDs will satisfy you.
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First of all, Louis Murphy was very nearly a 4*.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/purdue/football/recruiting/player-Louis-Murphy-28243

Someone at that talent level managing to narrowly outperform superstars like Chaz Schilens and Johnnie Lee Higgins on one of the worst teams in the NFL is simply not that impressive...
 
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In fact, if you want to play that game, Oakland's second-leading WR (Schilens) was a 2* (an actual 2*, not a near-4* I'm trying to pass off to help my argument) that was a much worse recruit than Murphy was. Are you saying San Diego State has great coaches?
 
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VKAman said:
In fact, if you want to play that game, Oakland's second-leading WR (Schilens) was a 2* (an actual 2*, not a near-4* I'm trying to pass off to help my argument) that was a much worse recruit than Murphy was. Are you saying San Diego State has great coaches?
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I don't know...what wast SDSU's record the past 3-4 years? How many conference titles did they win?

YOU guys are arguing that a coach's longevity is affected by how he gets kids ready for the next level. I say winning comes first.

You guys are banging on Meyer for not getting guys ready for the NFL, I bring up a kid who was on nobody's radar coming out of high school (regardless of stars) who winds up starting as a rookie, and now you want to cloud the issue.

Typical.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I don't know...what wast SDSU's record the past 3-4 years? How many conference titles did they win?

You guys are arguing that a coach's longevity is affected by how he gets kids ready for the next level. I say winning comes first.

You guys are banging on Meyer for not getting guys ready for the NFL, I bring up a kid who was on nobody's radar coming out of high school (regardless of stars) who winds up starting as a rookie, and now you want to cloud the issue.

Typical.
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Winning comes first.

Unfortunately, the kids who are the most helpful in winning are also the ones who want to get to the next level. If Florida isn't too good at that with Meyer's system, it's going to be a problem. Before you start telling me about their recruiting class, notice that all of the best players are the ones least affected by Meyer's offensive system...
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I don't know...what wast SDSU's record the past 3-4 years? How many conference titles did they win?

YOU guys are arguing that a coach's longevity is affected by how he gets kids ready for the next level. I say winning comes first.

You guys are banging on Meyer for not getting guys ready for the NFL, I bring up a kid who was on nobody's radar coming out of high school (regardless of stars) who winds up starting as a rookie, and now you want to cloud the issue.

Typical.
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And this is just a really bad time to talk about getting people ready for the NFL, as people are tearing Tebow apart because he is so not ready that scouts are saying things like

This is one scout who is not afraid to say that Tebow will never become a full-time starting quarterback in the NFL. There are simply too many issues with his footwork, elongated release and spotty accuracy. He will have to tear down and overhaul every part of his game just to have a chance, and I don't see it working out.
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Louis Murphy starting for the Raiders over other people who clearly suck is not going to offset this from a publicity standpoint, at all...
 
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