They’re Banning FJB and Let’s Go Brandon

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Gandalf said:
Yes as to compartmentalization. But its like the particular police officer you may be dealing with could be a dick but I respect the office he holds because it represents our collective attempts at public safety and protection for those who cannot protect themselves. Or a boss who may be a dick but I respect the position he holds as management of my job function and one they have to answer for to their bosses, etc.

Point is, it is not mutually exclusive. I can respect the office but have little respect for the person at the same time. In practice, this means that I am willing to follow as long as they stay within the strict structures of that office they hold. Once they speak or operate outside of that, however, I feel no compunction to comply or, for that matter, show any personal deference to their personal words or behavior. AKA step out from under the umbrella and there is no protection.
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This is an institution vs individual situation. I agree except once the institution itself has been deemed corrupted enough times by the individual then the institution itself is corrupt.

I believe we are very close to this happening.
 
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Septic said:
I wouldn't find it very surprising that your get lots of eye rolls when you come up with exaggerated and fantastical story's. If you find people don't take you seriously, this is probably why.
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Lol, telling the truth about your party isn't some exaggerated story. Maybe you don't see it in your reality, but doesnt make it any less true.
 
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LouderVol said:
Unflattering words is different than a full recall. Not arguing Trump was perfect, I will be the first to point out he wasnt. But this idea that what Biden has caused as far as foreign reactions goes is not as bad as Trump is wrong.
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I fail to see a difference between two epic fails.
 
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NEO said:
This is an institution vs individual situation. I agree except once the institution itself has been deemed corrupted enough times by the individual then the institution itself is corrupt.

I believe we are very close to this happening.
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There is no office today that could not be repaired through the replacement of existing personnel (though some agencies could best be dissolved). This replacement aspect is especially so in the Presidency.

The difficulty is that few executives have sufficient time in office to purge the "undesirables" from the bureaucracy and almost none have the will. Biden (or whoever is running him) is doing their best using a vaccine mandate to identify conservatives and weed them out while seeming to make it a health issue. This way, whoever comes into office next, is saddled by an even deeper deep state.

Unfortunately, Republicans of the past (Bush 1&2) cared far more about the establishment than the principles it supposedly serves. Two 8 year Presidencies could wipe out the filth from our institutions, were they determined and had the vision.

Will that happen? not easy but I deem still possible through conventional means.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I fail to see a difference between two epic fails.
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The fails may be the same but the reactions have been worse for one over the other. And that is what matters when it comes to foreign affairs. How our allies or other nations react about the fails is what matters.
 
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LouderVol said:
The fails may be the same but the reactions have been worse for one over the other. And that is what matters when it comes to foreign affairs. How our allies or other nations react about the fails is what matters.
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I don't see that our allies are acting any better or worse. I see two colossal screw ups as president and I see one's supporter itching to have him give it another go.
 
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Volaholic320 said:
Lol, telling the truth about your party isn't some exaggerated story. Maybe you don't see it in your reality, but doesnt make it any less true.
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It speaks volumes to your myopic understanding and that you'd try to pigeon hole me into a "party" because I don't agree with you.

Again. You couldn't define Marxism if your life depended on it. So go google it, get a rudimentary half baked understanding and come back and learn me up real good about your expertise.
 
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LouderVol said:
Unflattering words is different than a full recall. Not arguing Trump was perfect, I will be the first to point out he wasnt. But this idea that what Biden has caused as far as foreign reactions goes is not as bad as Trump is wrong.
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ClearwaterVol said:
I fail to see a difference between two epic fails.
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I’m trying to remember- what would have been Trump’s biggest foreign policy blunder?

I didn’t like the trade war with China.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Was his biggest success making friends with the little korean dude?
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I would say the peace deals in the ME between Israel and several Arab countries rank up there. But he did get the midget to stop launching missiles for a coupe years and getting NATO countries to start contributing more are also pretty significant.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Nobody trusted us. To think otherwise is to be willfully blind.
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ClearwaterVol said:
I recall Theresa May and the British Ambassador to the US saying some very unflattering things about Trump. You guys really have selective memory about Trump's track record.
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That depends on how you define "trust". "Trust" isn't a synonym for "doing what we want or like". If you think that another entity subject to leadership change will always follow or further develop the same policies in a changing world, then that falls into the definition of "foolish" rather than "trust". No doubt there were gripes about Trump policies - no different from children complaining when parents announce a policy change or enforce limits. Our policy is much more caused by an increasingly polarized electorate. Maybe just do away with all foreign aid and entanglements and then the griping would really be intense for a while, but then they wouldn't have US policy to kick around afterwards. Some of us see the US as used by much of the rest of the world, so they can use their own money for "better" things.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Was his biggest success making friends with the little korean dude?
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I can’t think of anything off the top of my head I would consider a big win.

I was trying to think of his biggest blunder. The tariffs were a dumb game to play.
 
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hog88 said:
I would say the peace deals in the ME between Israel and several Arab countries rank up there. But he did get the midget to stop launching missiles for a coupe years and getting NATO countries to start contributing more are also pretty significant.
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Are they actually contributing more now?
 
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hog88 said:
I would say the peace deals in the ME between Israel and several Arab countries rank up there. But he did get the midget to stop launching missiles for a coupe years and getting NATO countries to start contributing more are also pretty significant.
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The thing is they committed to it pre Trump, like 15 years ago, yet bailed. Specifically Germany.
Oh noes,.,,Trump is abandoning NATO. Damn dumbasses did not realize without a following through on their commitment, they were doing the abandonment.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't see that our allies are acting any better or worse. I see two colossal screw ups as president and I see one's supporter itching to have him give it another go.
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I would consider rebukes on the floor of parliament, I am not british to know how serious that is, and the recall of an ambassador far worse than an ambassador saying something negative.

Actions are more serious than words.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I’m trying to remember- what would have been Trump’s biggest foreign policy blunder?

I didn’t like the trade war with China.
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The two scoops of ice cream or talking with Putin come to mind. At least when it comes to the media.

So strictly from impacting our relation with another country:

I would say the China stuff was pretty bad. His agreement with the taliban to leave afghanistan is certainly relevant. Maybe the Ukraine thing? Not sure how serious it was for the Ukrainians, but our media flipped the eff out. His pull out of Syria was messy but of lesser scale to Afghanistan. Personally I really didnt like us abandoning the Kurds.

Some of those may be overall wins for America, but net negative for our world standing, which is the subject at hand.
 
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