They’re Banning FJB and Let’s Go Brandon

[BreatheUT]

All the Biden leg humpers have is “but Trump”. Because everything that senile old dumb a$$ touches turns to fecal matter.

Many who voted for Biden and we tried to tell them are peeking from behind the bushes now.

 

[lukeneyland]

No one worth a damn wants to be President anymore

It’s more like we are collectively too stupid to vote for the thoughtful obscure candidates. Our elections revolves around pandering, sound bites and bribery. The fact that we ejected morons like Bush and Obama twice and now Biden at least once is proof of this

 

[85SugarVol]

Actually I think one alternative is better - far better. Ban trade with China. There are few options for dealing with cheaters in the world of "free trade" when they believe it's free trade for them but not for you.

Why would we ban trade with China?

We need a long term strategy to be less dependent on them. But we don’t need to stop trading with them.

 

[AM64]

Why would we ban trade with China?

We need a long term strategy to be less dependent on them. But we don’t need to stop trading with them.

I can point out a few reasons.

- Self reliance - strategic implications. Japan and Germany in many respects went to war because they were significantly limited in resources - we basically aren't limited the way they were but we're turning our back on what we have. Much of Europe resorted to colonialism because they didn't have the individual landmass to provide the necessary resources to support the population.

- Self preservation - we need a working workforce - you either have to produce and sell on the world market or keep it at home

- You can't be the top of the heap if you give the heap away - this day and age that means you are either the hunter or the hunted and we can't continue to make China the hunter at our expense

- Logistics - look at the ports - look at shortages and price increases. Consider how needs in a global market cause turmoil in a different market - like for US auto manufacturers

- Safety - there's another recall on medicines - seems like the carcinogens come in imported pharmaceutical and other materials. There's a problem with salmonella in Mexican onions currently. We can't control foreign quality and safety

- Climate change (for those so inclined) - China pollutes to produce - they don't care. We hypocritically turn a blind eye to their pollution and buy cheap goods because we made manufacturing here more costly

- Education - we seem to have taken the view that know how and work ethic are not necessary if you don't manufacture - that feeds back to education and motivation

- National wealth - you have to produce to manufacture products to make wealth - it doesn't come from a service economy. We bleed our industrial legacy and derived wealth daily

- The Cold War - we're paying for China's military and funding round two. In case you missed round one, it wasn't much fun

There's plenty more like labor practices, and this is off the top of my head and disjointed, but it's a start.

 

[DonjoVol]

Why would we ban trade with China?

We need a long term strategy to be less dependent on them. But we don’t need to stop trading with them.

We need more products made here in the U.S. Also need to somehow lower the cost of living so people can live while working manufacturing, restaurant, retail jobs, etc. Finally make it to where these jobs pay just as good as some other jobs. This pandemic has shown those are obviously very important jobs in order for the economy to run efficiently.

 

[DonjoVol]

I can point out a few reasons.

- Self reliance - strategic implications. Japan and Germany in many respects went to war because they were significantly limited in resources - we basically aren't limited the way they were but we're turning our back on what we have. Much of Europe resorted to colonialism because they didn't have the individual landmass to provide the necessary resources to support the population.

- Self preservation - we need a working workforce - you either have to produce and sell on the world market or keep it at home

- You can't be the top of the heap if you give the heap away - this day and age that means you are either the hunter or the hunted and we can't continue to make China the hunter at our expense

- Logistics - look at the ports - look at shortages and price increases. Consider how needs in a global market cause turmoil in a different market - like for US auto manufacturers

- Safety - there's another recall on medicines - seems like the carcinogens come in imported pharmaceutical and other materials. There's a problem with salmonella in Mexican onions currently. We can't control foreign quality and safety

- Climate change (for those so inclined) - China pollutes to produce - they don't care. We hypocritically turn a blind eye to their pollution and buy cheap goods because we made manufacturing here more costly

- Education - we seem to have taken the view that know how and work ethic are not necessary if you don't manufacture - that feeds back to education and motivation

- National wealth - you have to produce to manufacture products to make wealth - it doesn't come from a service economy. We bleed our industrial legacy and derived wealth daily

- The Cold War - we're paying for China's military and funding round two. In case you missed round one, it wasn't much fun

There's plenty more like labor practices, and this is off the top of my head and disjointed, but it's a start.

Let's also talk about how our education system and society here have made people think certain jobs are beneath them. As I mentioned in another post these restaurant, retail, and manufacturing and many other jobs are vital to the economy. People in these jobs need to be rewarded with great pay. Especially the ones who are actually great at those jobs and showing up for work and doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Why should an accountant or someone in IT make more than a server, cook, assembly line worker, fire fighter or even a paramedic?

And why should teachers make that much more than the cafeteria workers, janitors and school bus drivers? And why shouldn't they get the same percentage in raises as the teachers and school administrators do?

 

[LouderVol]

Actually I think one alternative is better - far better. Ban trade with China. There are few options for dealing with cheaters in the world of "free trade" when they believe it's free trade for them but not for you.

Banning trade would do next to nothing. We are already seeing them ship finished products to other countries to slap a "made in mexico" tag on it, and then ship it across the border. They are already two or three steps ahead of us

 

[USAFgolferVol]

It’s more like we are collectively too stupid to vote for the thoughtful obscure candidates. Our elections revolves around pandering, sound bites and bribery. The fact that we ejected morons like Bush and Obama twice and now Biden at least once is proof of this

Don't forget Trump

 

[AshG]

And why should teachers make that much more than the cafeteria workers, janitors and school bus drivers? And why shouldn't they get the same percentage in raises as the teachers and school administrators do?

As chief negotiator for the teachers in my system from 2009-2013, I argued that support staff should track along the same path with raises and benefits. I argued that the money the state sent that was designated to providing school bus drivers with insurance actually go to providing school bus drivers with insurance.

Unfortunately, you can't negotiate with money that administration has already spent. They had reallocated it to administrative training resources.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I fail to see a difference between two epic fails.

Glaucoma? Cataracts? Or just simple partisan myopia?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Banning trade would do next to nothing. We are already seeing them ship finished products to other countries to slap a "made in mexico" tag on it, and then ship it across the border. They are already two or three steps ahead of us

Not hard outwitting this administration.

 

[Volaholic320]

It speaks volumes to your myopic understanding and that you'd try to pigeon hole me into a "party" because I don't agree with you.

Again. You couldn't define Marxism if your life depended on it. So go google it, get a rudimentary half baked understanding and come back and learn me up real good about your expertise.

I did not pigeon hole you in a party because you dont agree with me. You support that party because you agree with and support their agenda. Yes, i know what marxism is, dont need to run it by you.

 

[LouderVol]

Not hard outwitting this administration.

It was happening under Trump too

 

[Jxn Vol]

It doesn’t matter who we trade with if we can’t even pull off unloading the dang ship.

This is like watching the environmental service staff run a code blue.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Glaucoma? Cataracts? Or just simple partisan myopia?

They have both been epic failures. Your asking me to choose between to failing grades. An F is an F in my book. I don't even attempt to quantify who had the higher F.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I wonder who the folks stranded in Kabul think is worse. Or the folks that pump gas into their cars daily. Or the border patrol officers.

We know who China prefers.

 

[85SugarVol]

I can point out a few reasons.

- Self reliance - strategic implications. Japan and Germany in many respects went to war because they were significantly limited in resources - we basically aren't limited the way they were but we're turning our back on what we have. Much of Europe resorted to colonialism because they didn't have the individual landmass to provide the necessary resources to support the population.

- Self preservation - we need a working workforce - you either have to produce and sell on the world market or keep it at home

- You can't be the top of the heap if you give the heap away - this day and age that means you are either the hunter or the hunted and we can't continue to make China the hunter at our expense

- Logistics - look at the ports - look at shortages and price increases. Consider how needs in a global market cause turmoil in a different market - like for US auto manufacturers

- Safety - there's another recall on medicines - seems like the carcinogens come in imported pharmaceutical and other materials. There's a problem with salmonella in Mexican onions currently. We can't control foreign quality and safety

- Climate change (for those so inclined) - China pollutes to produce - they don't care. We hypocritically turn a blind eye to their pollution and buy cheap goods because we made manufacturing here more costly

- Education - we seem to have taken the view that know how and work ethic are not necessary if you don't manufacture - that feeds back to education and motivation

- National wealth - you have to produce to manufacture products to make wealth - it doesn't come from a service economy. We bleed our industrial legacy and derived wealth daily

- The Cold War - we're paying for China's military and funding round two. In case you missed round one, it wasn't much fun

There's plenty more like labor practices, and this is off the top of my head and disjointed, but it's a start.

I see no reason listed to “ban” trade with China

 

[allvol123]

They have both been epic failures. Your asking me to choose between to failing grades. An F is an F in my book. I don't even attempt to quantify who had the higher F.

You’re willfully lying in comparing them. The nation is currently on the way to a disaster and Joe has the gas pedal down. Oops, I mean accelerator, he doesn’t want us using gas.

 

[Rickyvol77]

As chief negotiator for the teachers in my system from 2009-2013, I argued that support staff should track along the same path with raises and benefits. I argued that the money the state sent that was designated to providing school bus drivers with insurance actually go to providing school bus drivers with insurance.

Unfortunately, you can't negotiate with money that administration has already spent. They had reallocated it to administrative training resources.

The very definition of why the government shouldn’t get more of peoples’ money

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

They have both been epic failures. Your asking me to choose between to failing grades. An F is an F in my book. I don't even attempt to quantify who had the higher F.

LOL Partisan myopia it is.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You’re willfully lying in comparing them. The nation is currently on the way to a disaster and Joe has the gas pedal down. Oops, I mean accelerator, he doesn’t want us using gas.

TDS has been far more detrimental to this country than the ChinaFlu, and it ain't even close.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

LOL Partisan myopia it is.

Nobody is defending Trump, not even you. You seem to be arguing that he sucked but Biden sucks worse.



And wait until 2024, you will vote for a guy whom you are unable to defend. I won't

 

[hog88]

Nobody is defending Trump, not even you. You seem to be arguing that he sucked but Biden sucks worse.



And wait until 2024, you will vote for a guy whom you are unable to defend. I won't

Trump didn't really suck, he sucked at getting his agenda through and his decision to let Faucci speak sucked but for 3 years things were moving along pretty good. Joe has been ****ing up from day 1.

 

[DonjoVol]

As chief negotiator for the teachers in my system from 2009-2013, I argued that support staff should track along the same path with raises and benefits. I argued that the money the state sent that was designated to providing school bus drivers with insurance actually go to providing school bus drivers with insurance.

Unfortunately, you can't negotiate with money that administration has already spent. They had reallocated it to administrative training resources.

And you just proved my point. The people who reallocated the funds felt the bus drivers were beneath them.

So the end result here was two things. The people transporting kids to and from school were disrespected and more money was wasted.

 

[AshG]

And you just proved my point. The people who reallocated the funds felt the bus drivers were beneath them.

So the end result here was two things. The people transporting kids to and from school were disrespected and more money was wasted.

In an earlier post, you made it sound as if teachers were the ones promoting this idea - the "education system and society have made people think certain jobs are below them." A quality teacher has interest in seeing their students be highly successful at almost any occupation (I couch this with the fact that a quality teacher will not support demeaning, damaging, or illegal occupations like Crack Whore). One of my friends from high school is an elementary school maintenance worker/janitor; his school had an appreciation party for him and the principal talked with the students about how the school would have difficulty functioning without his services. But, I digress.

To understand where mindsets come from, look up the food chain. The most cockamamie and crazy ideas tend to come from state departments of education, where administrators have lots of book smarts but usually precious little classroom experience. They think their ideas are great, then toss them down the chain and are surprised when they don't work out (and it's obviously because of those crappy teachers). Tennessee at least has the sense to keep vocational secondary education viable. I would argue they're not pushing it hard enough and making it more widely available.