They just don't get it . . .

#126
#126
CSpindizzy said:
I guess Reagan wasn't golike after all. This bill is not the same. So nice try on comparing the two. While you're dreaming that the fence is working I hope you're not overrun by those illegals still flocking to your area.

Read that bill yet? Or still depending on Dobbs to think for you?
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Can you please give us the address to the actuall bill?
 
#128
#128
Teddyhead said:
:no: So you supported the 1986 bill that was supposed to put an end to illegal immigration? Why should we trust you now? What has changed?:question:
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Are you smoking something? Did I say I supported it? Nope. Please go back and read. I promise my posts are not as long as the bill you won't read.
 
#130
#130
allvol123 said:
So write a few page bill authorizing more agents. I guess it takes 900 pages to do this.
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Amazing that a bill would dare take on the entire issue rather than one little item that clearly has failings by itself. God forbid anyone try to work on an entire problem. Shock. Horror!
 
#132
#132
CSpindizzy said:
Amazing that a bill would dare take on the entire issue rather than one little item that clearly has failings by itself. God forbid anyone try to work on an entire problem. Shock. Horror!
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God forbid the entire constitution of the greatest country on earth is nearly 1/5 the size of this Bill. Wow, they could form a whole country with a few pages but this issue takes 900+ pages.:lolabove:
 
#134
#134
Teddyhead said:
Fine, I will try to look it up myself while simultaneously doing ten others tasks!
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Hmmm. You mean you actually can and are able to do more than one task? Wow. This bill can do that as well. Aww...you have soooo much in common with this bill. Admit it. Deep down inside you love this bill.
 
#136
#136
Teddyhead said:
God forbid the entire constitution of the greatest country on earth is nearly 1/5 the size of this Bill. Wow, they could form a whole country with a few pages but this issue takes 900+ pages.:lolabove:
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You must not be familiar with legislation. Good additional project to take up.

Well seeing how it also includes English as a national language and handles other issues refining legal immigration loopholes to address national security, I'd say there was good reason to be 900 pages.
 
#137
#137
I wish the American people could afford this bill, I really do, but they can't. I wish the United States could handle the mass influx of all these people desperately seeking a better life, but it can't. Not without breaking the social system and changing the entire makeup of our nation as we know it.

Hey, you never answered me. Are you with the Southern Poverty Law Center or something?
 
#140
#140
Biometric ID's, Social Security changes dealing with immigration, EIC loopholes closed, changes in visas themselves to prevent counterfeiting, protections for whistleblowers, student visa changes, etc. This bill covers quite a bit to include national security issues.
 
#141
#141
CSpindizzy said:
Biometric ID's, Social Security changes dealing with immigration, EIC loopholes closed, changes in visas themselves to prevent counterfeiting, protections for whistleblowers, student visa changes, etc. This bill covers quite a bit to include national security issues.
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and we've proven really good at all of the administrative style garbage like this?
 
#143
#143
BigPapaVol said:
and we've proven really good at all of the administrative style garbage like this?
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Well if you like the current way things are more power to you. I guess we need to roll back everything we changed for security after 9/11 as well. Government sucks so why bother. I guess we should put our faith in a fence that can be circumnavigated and hope illegals already here just pack up and go home. Even if the fence works, illegals would then be 'trapped' and we'd have that problem to deal with. Oh well.
 
#145
#145
CSpindizzy said:
Well if you like the current way things are more power to you. I guess we need to roll back everything we changed for security after 9/11 as well. Government sucks so why bother. I guess we should put our faith in a fence that can be circumnavigated and hope illegals already here just pack up and go home. Even if the fence works, illegals would then be 'trapped' and we'd have that problem to deal with. Oh well.
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weren't you just making the 'why bother' argument a few pages ago?

The fence works in that it stems the tide to some degree and would allow our beefed up staffing levels to appropriately address the problem, over time.

Trapped illegal connotes no longer a bother or trying hard to get the heck out. Either of those works for me.
 
#147
#147
allvol123 said:
Yes, mention a wall or some type of prevention and we are Elmer Fudd. But anything else and we are Einstein.
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Your words. Not mine. Seeing how current staffing levels, current laws, and a fence doesn't stop illegals coming in and none do anything about the millions already here?

The funny thing is that the talking heads against this bill list all of these bullet points about the ills of illegal aliens:

-paying for illegal children to go to school
-paying for healthcare costs
-paying for uninsured illegal motorists
-dealing with crime such as murder and drugs
-covering extra tax burden
-social security and entitlement fraud
-loss of jobs
-deflated wages
-neighborhoods turning to packed slums

I'm sure I missed many more. But looking at these issues, what does "securing the border" do to address these problems? While it MAY prevent others from coming INTO our country, it does nothing to stop those here from adding to the above items. So securing the border ignores the above issues allowing them to fester if not explode causing our burden to become higher. So that is one reason I say something more comprehensive is needed.
 
#149
#149
BigPapaVol said:
weren't you just making the 'why bother' argument a few pages ago?

The fence works in that it stems the tide to some degree and would allow our beefed up staffing levels to appropriately address the problem, over time.

Trapped illegal connotes no longer a bother or trying hard to get the heck out. Either of those works for me.
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Stems the tide to some degree? So illegals still come in but just go through other entry points? Kind of like the Chinese into West Coast ports or Eastern Europeans through East Coast ports? Or Mexicans through tunnels? Or through corrupt border guards (see recent news for facts on that)? Don't forget the Canadian border as well.

Trapped illegal means no longer bothering to get out but STILL being a burden on taxpayers. Hmmm.

You missed my point on why bother.
 
#150
#150
CSpindizzy said:
Your words. Not mine. Seeing how current staffing levels, current laws, and a fence doesn't stop illegals coming in and none do anything about the millions already here?

The funny thing is that the talking heads against this bill list all of these bullet points about the ills of illegal aliens:

-paying for illegal children to go to school
-paying for healthcare costs
-paying for uninsured illegal motorists
-dealing with crime such as murder and drugs
-covering extra tax burden
-social security and entitlement fraud
-loss of jobs
-deflated wages
-neighborhoods turning to packed slums

I'm sure I missed many more. But looking at these issues, what does "securing the border" do to address these problems? While it MAY prevent others from coming INTO our country, it does nothing to stop those here from adding to the above items. So securing the border ignores the above issues allowing them to fester if not explode causing our burden to become higher. So that is one reason I say something more comprehensive is needed.
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If you had paid attention to what I said is my concern you would know that I want the border secured. Once these imbeciles have proven they can do that then I will be all for hearing their ideas on what to do with the people here. Until then, no thanks.
 
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