This describes what has happened to college football perfectly.

[volfeeva]

Personally as a fan , I'm entering the portal myself. Players= call out to me next fall and maybe I'll make myself available to care enough to watch a game or two.

 

[volfan102455]

And the players have caught on the "bidness" part and now people suddenly have a problem and clutch their pearls.

Some, like me, have donated to support the student part of the student-athlete. I refuse to transfer that to a collective that is all about the bidding war and greed.

I hope someone is looking out for these kids, so they will have some left when the NFL doesn't come calling and they can no longer make money from the collectives.

 

[volfan102455]

Personally as a fan , I'm entering the portal myself. Players= call out to me next fall and maybe I'll make myself available to care enough to watch a game or two.

They should pay us to attend games - after all we are part of the atmosphere, and I am sure we are on camera at times.

 

[volfeeva]

You "preserve the college game by not paying players" people lost the war. It will never go back to be players having to own access to their NIL being removed and no they cannot "cap it."

Grown ass men on here still crying about athletes making money. Unless you have a Delorean powered by Ukraine uranium traveling at 77MPH you are SOL. Put your big boy pants on and move on.

Some of us remember when players came to the school and stayed for the team, the loyalty, and being part of something bigger than themselves. If you think the current trend of seeing players quit on teams even while the season is going on, if you think it's fun to watch programs beg/pay, to get a player who just quit on his old team, if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless because every good player bails either to the portal or to the pros--well it sucks IMHO. This current "ME-ME" generation stinks to the high heavens. Yes, they are ruining the last one thing worth watching in sports.

 

[Voltopia]

These schools need to put out packages showing the true value of what each athlete receives. The idea that they get nothing is what drives me crazy. They get the following which has a high dollar value.

- Free education and tutoring that helps them be successful.
- Free advertising of their skills on one of the largest stages there is.
- Training on how to address the media and how to act as a public figure.
- Free strength and conditioning training
- Networking opportunities that will last a lifetime and allow them to step into doors others cannot.

They also need to put a price on the brand marketing and advertising that comes from being associated with a big name brand. These players wouldn't be worth any NIL money if they didn't put on those college jerseys and represent those teams. They only gain this perceived value when they play for the Tennessees or the Notre Dames of the sport, etc. The school brands are the actual thing of value; that is, people are invested in the performance of the teams, not the players. If it were otherwise, these supposedly put upon players would just leave school entirely and market their NIL rights on their own. If the "Jayden Daniels" brand actually had value, then he'd have no reason to put up with the wicked, evil, oppressive college football environment, right? Just leave college and go sell his brand direct to companies, without worrying about following those pesky NCAA rules.

Oh, what's that? He wouldn't make a dime you say? Huh. Fancy that. Interesting, isn't it?

It's funny how people always complain about how "the NCAA shouldn't restrict player NIL rights," when the fact is no player was ever prevented from selling their rights. A player could have done so whenever they wanted. They could march right out there and sell them today. The only thing they couldn't do was be eligible to play on college teams if they did so, for myriad reasons that are going to become more and more apparent as the sport continues on its current trajectory.

But that said, awful interesting how none of those college ever chose to do that. Awful interesting.

 

[pimo1]

Two cartoons that capture the current zeitgeist of NIL, "Amateur athletes", coaches and administrators.

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Why do people post weird stuff like this.. thats flat not true...Not a single person going to the NFL will be taking anything close to a pay cut. Very few College players are making a mil a year and the ones making that kind of money will be first-rounders, The final pick of round 1 this year is looking at a 6-7 million signing bonus and a 12-15 mil contract for 4 years depending on position.

People start things like these and the lies become the truth to most people that don't bother to check. You can count on one hand each year how many guys will sign a deal like Niico's. The rest of the mid-pack guys are lucky to get 100k which is less than what a practice squad player makes (over 200k for 18 weeks and no classes) Trust me there might be one or two guys not named Nico or Joe Milton on the squad making more than that in NIL.

 

[Volhoops]

Some of us remember when players came to the school and stayed for the team, the loyalty, and being part of something bigger than themselves. If you think the current trend of seeing players quit on teams even while the season is going on, if you think it's fun to watch programs beg/pay, to get a player who just quit on his old team, if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless because every good player bails either to the portal or to the pros--well it sucks IMHO. This current "ME-ME" generation stinks to the high heavens. Yes, they are ruining the last one thing worth watching in sports.

If the players want to get paid to play then the solution is for the NFL to allow HS graduates to enter directly into the NFL. The NFL is a pro sport where players get paid based upon their talent and not just the highest bidder. Let the NFL bare the cost and return college sports back to amateur events. If you want to pay players in college then it should be one fee for all with a cap limit per team. Somebody explain why a university should give a scholarship to a player getting paid 7-figures in NIL money. If you are going to take an NIL deal your college expenses should come from that money if not in whole then on a formula based upon cost versus wages. It's a big boy world out there let them start paying their way.

 

[volfeeva]

This current trend of players seeking the highest bidder for them to play, only invites the doubt in many fans when a player (s) seem to lay down and quit during games. Think about it, if you have players ticked off because they are getting less than someone else on the team( Banks last year) that they feel does not contribute as much as they do, how much of a stretch is it to say they only give effort to match what they feel they are being paid ? When money is the only motivator it will ruin the sport.

 

[fossilfiction]

These schools need to put out packages showing the true value of what each athlete receives. The idea that they get nothing is what drives me crazy. They get the following which has a high dollar value.

- Free education and tutoring that helps them be successful.
- Free advertising of their skills on one of the largest stages there is.
- Training on how to address the media and how to act as a public figure.
- Free strength and conditioning training
- Networking opportunities that will last a lifetime and allow them to step into doors others cannot.

They get all the exposure without the risk that comes with being "fired" if they don't live up to expectations. They can make small mistakes and survive. Coaches, sports casters, etc. aren't so lucky in that regards.

It is only a matter of time until one of these players with a lot of NIL money, makes a mistake - a mistake that reflects on the company they are associated with. It has happened to professionals - here today, gone tomorrow.

This started out as players just wanting some spending money like other students that work while in school get. It has now led to grown folks keeping track of what a player is worth based on the NIL they get as well as the players themselves wanting to be the one with the most.

At some point their college days will be over and many of them will end up with nothing to show for all this.

It's unconstitutional to deny people the right to make money off their NIL, period. Just because they are in college doesn't mean they shouldn't off their NIL.

You can make money off your NIL, except for your lack of skills to do so. That's the only difference between you and them.

 

[fossilfiction]

Some of us remember when players came to the school and stayed for the team, the loyalty, and being part of something bigger than themselves. If you think the current trend of seeing players quit on teams even while the season is going on, if you think it's fun to watch programs beg/pay, to get a player who just quit on his old team, if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless because every good player bails either to the portal or to the pros--well it sucks IMHO. This current "ME-ME" generation stinks to the high heavens. Yes, they are ruining the last one thing worth watching in sports.

Well boomer, that ship has sailed so be a man and move on.

 

[volfeeva]

Well boomer, that ship has sailed so be a man and move on.

the boomer generation kicked butt over the Generation Pansies we have today.

 

[Budalicious]

At least most coaches have a buyout before leaving. They finished school, became graduate assistants, analysts, position coaches, and coordinators before getting a head coach position and that’s no guarantee to be retained. These kids are recruited, some for years, signed, developed ,given food, lodging, medical care, an education plus other benefits. Then after years of investment and when they are ready to contribute or be a difference maker they just walk away to a school that’s already loaded to win a championship or conference championship. Some schools as of now have 10 to 15 players in the portal. Schools that sign these kids should have pay some compensation to the school that loses them.

 

[TJSVOLS]

Not even going to argue with you slick. I learned a long time ago to never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Congrats you win

You are exactly right about that clown.

 

[fossilfiction]

the boomer generation kicked butt over the Generation Pansies we have today.

Your generation raised those pansies though...

 

[Freiwillige]

Pro sports are actually better because players sign contracts and commit to play for a team for a contracted time of years. I don't think that pro sports would be nearly as popular if so many players changed teams every year. College transfer rules make it much more difficult for a fan to identify with a player who may be gone next year. Part of the fun of college sports was identifying with the players as they progressed. That is pretty much gone now.

 

[papatomany]

I've told my kids that I'm an addict. I only watch sports because I've been watching for 50+ years. (I blame my dad.) Sports today are a mere spectre of what I loved about sports. If I were starting now, I'd bypass sports altogether.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If the players want to get paid to play then the solution is for the NFL to allow HS graduates to enter directly into the NFL. The NFL is a pro sport where players get paid based upon their talent and not just the highest bidder. Let the NFL bare the cost and return college sports back to amateur events. If you want to pay players in college then it should be one fee for all with a cap limit per team. Somebody explain why a university should give a scholarship to a player getting paid 7-figures in NIL money. If you are going to take an NIL deal your college expenses should come from that money if not in whole then on a formula based upon cost versus wages. It's a big boy world out there let them start paying their way.

There's so much wrong with this.

First, there's no reason for the NFL to accept high school students just to "help out" college football. They are two separate businesses. That idea fails immediately as impossible.

Colleges will never cap NIL. Pros can't cap NIL. Whatever Mahomes makes from Subway DOES NOT come out of his salary from the Chiefs. Whatever a college player makes in NIL IS SEPARATE from their scholarship.

Colleges don't HAVE to offer scholarships to a player now. So that's up to the school BUT they do because it's a recruiting tool. The fact players are ALSO worth NIL tells you the player is worth more than the value of the scholarship whether you like it or not, the market decides the value.

This is not new. Players have been paid by boosters for years. You know it. But.....but.....but.....they had scholarships???? How could that happen? They already got all those benefits but schools still paid them?

This is nothing new. The scholarship hasn't been covering the value of some players for DECADES. Stop acting like it has.

 

[LargeOrange1]

What, specifically, do you think will happen?

Players will (have) become mercenaries...play for whichever teams ponies up the $$$. I've already given up 100% of professional sports so college football wouldn't be that hard. I've loved the Vols for 4 decades & counting....but the game is changing for the worse.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Lol...yes, tout that $200K plus food and lodging....nevermind coaches, conferences, TV and schools are making millions and billions.

coaches, conferences, TV and schools are making millions and billions.

HOW the hell else do you think they can afford all the expenses of putting the product on the field AND pay the players??? Riddle me that.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Coaches and broadcasters are employees---real employees--in the private market. Student-athletes are not, no matter how much some try to claim that they are. They are STUDENTS--college students. Broadcasters and coaches are not students.

Now, if you want to assert that coaches are absurdly overpaid, and that they get extensions too easily, often without really proving much, and that the buyouts are ridiculous, well, I wouldn't argue with you there.

They are student athletes bringing in billions of dollars. Not some guy at a random NAIA school. To pretend these student athletes are not much different than most is laughable.

 

[volfanhill]

These schools need to put out packages showing the true value of what each athlete receives. The idea that they get nothing is what drives me crazy. They get the following which has a high dollar value.

- Free education and tutoring that helps them be successful.
- Free advertising of their skills on one of the largest stages there is.
- Training on how to address the media and how to act as a public figure.
- Free strength and conditioning training
- Networking opportunities that will last a lifetime and allow them to step into doors others cannot.

They get all the exposure without the risk that comes with being "fired" if they don't live up to expectations. They can make small mistakes and survive. Coaches, sports casters, etc. aren't so lucky in that regards.

It is only a matter of time until one of these players with a lot of NIL money, makes a mistake - a mistake that reflects on the company they are associated with. It has happened to professionals - here today, gone tomorrow.

This started out as players just wanting some spending money like other students that work while in school get. It has now led to grown folks keeping track of what a player is worth based on the NIL they get as well as the players themselves wanting to be the one with the most.

At some point their college days will be over and many of them will end up with nothing to show for all this.

So you miss the entire point? The SC didn't rule they get nothing. They ruled that they have a right to their Name, Image, and Likeness.How on earth can you be against that?

 

[GAVol]

They get all the exposure without the risk that comes with being "fired" if they don't live up to expectations. They can make small mistakes and survive. Coaches, sports casters, etc. aren't so lucky in that regards.

I disagree. Scholarships are 1 yr deals and marginal guys get told to move on from time to time and problem players get booted off the team.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Just wait. You’ll see. This is just in its infancy stage. It’s gonna destroy the love of the game

So you agree it hasn't been a disaster?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Players will (have) become mercenaries...play for whichever teams ponies up the $$$. I've already given up 100% of professional sports so college football wouldn't be that hard. I've loved the Vols for 4 decades counting....but the game is changing for the worse.

Conferences have become mercenaries, sign with any TV network that ponies up more $$$.

You should have given up when the SEC starting making millions from football and basketball, but no..... it's only when the players make a little money that it's a problem.

If the schools hadn't turned football and basketball into revenue machines which caused them to have to create pro level stadiums, pro level locker rooms, pro level training facilities, pro level film and meeting facilities, etc, etc...... they wouldn't have had to start paying the players under the table for years and years so the product on the field and court was worth the TV exposure and ad revenue for the folks paying them millions.

The driving force behind all this money is the schools, not the players.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

At least as the NIL system develops, the best cheaters won’t have an advantage.

However, college sports are evolving into minor league programs. Another 10 years and “student” athletes might no longer exist.