This describes what has happened to college football perfectly.

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Butch s said:
Not even going to argue with you slick. I learned a long time ago to never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Congrats you win
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But you'll be sure to reply with a "witty" cliched comeback.
 
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Nobody is forcing you guys to keep watching something that clearly insults you so much.

I'm just laughing my head off at so many so called free market capatialists absolutely lose their s*** over all this and appealing to the emotion of "this isn't how it used to be so it's EVIL!"

Get over it buttercups. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and put your big boy pants on.
 
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Lot of old men yelling at clouds in this thread. Some of them are fixated on what the star players are getting in terms of NIL and conflating that to ALL players. Star players have always been paid, you just didn’t know how much and from who. And nobody is making more in college than they would be in the NFL unless they never make it to the league in the first place.
 
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volfan102455 said:
If that is the belief then take all the money across all schools and pay everyone involved the same amount. The player that sits on the bench gets the same amount as the ones that distribute the water and the Heisman award winner. And extend this across all sports - no more million dollar NIL for anyone.
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So capitalism for TV networks, university presidents and coaches…but socialism for athletes generating all that revenue.
 
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volfeeva said:
Some of us remember when players came to the school and stayed for the team, the loyalty, and being part of something bigger than themselves. If you think the current trend of seeing players quit on teams even while the season is going on, if you think it's fun to watch programs beg/pay, to get a player who just quit on his old team, if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless because every good player bails either to the portal or to the pros--well it sucks IMHO. This current "ME-ME" generation stinks to the high heavens. Yes, they are ruining the last one thing worth watching in sports.
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y’all always fail to mention the billions of dollars that were being made off their backs n if you woulda offered those same “loyal” players these deals they would’ve reacted the same way… nobody forcing y’all to watch if you hate it this bad I love that the players openly get paid now they should… America has always been a capitalistic country it’s about time college football caught up… it will balance it self out in the years to come right now it is new but enough bad NIL deals will adjust the market college football is still fun and thriving change is a part of life.
 
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Tnphil said:
I've enjoyed the hell and do every year watching DII games and playoffs. My son played small college football for 4 years and I enjoyed following them around for those years.
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This is a good point.

You want to watch a more "pure" form of football without as much outside influence, then this is the route to go.

Personally enjoyed watching Harding School of Mines out of Colorado play Lenoir Rhyne this past weekend as an example.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
I just don’t understand people who feel like room and board, classes, meals, training should be enough. I get this regressive logic comes from an outdated mindset, but it’s nonsense. By the same logic of a lot on here, people should be happy to drive to work for just the benefits and no pay…just not smart.
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Ummm...when it comes down to it, people really only work so they can afford room and board (housing/food). If the job took care of every bit of the person's mortgage and meals, the person wouldn't be so demanding for that much extra money. If these players are being paid that much, maybe they should be forced to pay for their room/board, books, tuition out of their pocket, like it really is in the real world.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Ummm...when it comes down to it, people really only work so they can afford room and board (housing/food). If the job took care of every bit of the person's mortgage and meals, the person wouldn't be so demanding for that much extra money. If these players are being paid that much, maybe they should be forced to pay for their room/board, books, tuition out of their pocket, like it really is in the real world.
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Sure you could that. But if that cost them X a year then their NIL would go up by X. There's a reason people talk about total compensation package in the real world. Not just salary. It's all part of the equation when you take a job
 
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JoeMiltonsAgent said:
This is a good point.

You want to watch a more "pure" form of football without as much outside influence, then this is the route to go.

Personally enjoyed watching Harding School of Mines out of Colorado play Lenoir Rhyne this past weekend as an example.
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And this is the sad part of this.

Will the coming "players are employees" also destroy the ability of those schools and that good competition to field teams without having to budget money to pay them "market value?"

Can the NCAA divorce itself from the real "high money, high value" teams like the SEC and B1G, mostly, to let real amateur college athletics survive?

That's the end I see. Whether we like it or not, schools like the SEC (perhaps with Vandy declining) form a pro league and leave smaller schools to play "good ol' college football." It'll suck because a lot of school tradition will be gone at places like UT, but maybe it won't kill Lenoir Rhyne type schools.
 
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JoeMiltonsAgent said:
This is a good point.

You want to watch a more "pure" form of football without as much outside influence, then this is the route to go.

Personally enjoyed watching Harding School of Mines out of Colorado play Lenoir Rhyne this past weekend as an example.
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Exactly
 
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Voltopia said:
The Otises from Ooltewah are what made the SEC, and southern football, special.
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Yeah, but the TV is what made the SEC and southern football rich. I get the "I liked the old days" but we didn't like Jeff-Pilot or "I can only get the game on the radio this week" days.

We wanted the TV games, there was a huge market for the TV games, there was huge money for the SEC in TV games....... and it wasn't the game Otis from Ooltewah built anymore.

It's now the game Mr Iger controls from CA. The SEC sold it a few years ago out from under Otis.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Disagree.

They might give Finebaum mindless content everyday, but they don’t make CFB special.

We’re not buying tickets to see Otis score touchdowns.
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Disagree with your disagree.

I don't mean the rednecks who call in to that clown show, I mean the folks and families who have had generational relationships with southern football. They didn't build all those giant SEC stadiums for sidewalk fans.

Or put differently, Tennessee's attendance barely dipped over the past 15 years, even though it was the worst 15 years in the history of the program. Why is that? What kept people coming, even in the face of a terrible product? I assert it's because, at least in part, of the century of relationship between Tennessee and its "Otises from Oooltewah." It's something that was built over time, slowly, surely.

Scorn them and dismiss them all you want.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, but the TV is what made the SEC and southern football rich. I get the "I liked the old days" but we didn't like Jeff-Pilot or "I can only get the game on the radio this week" days.

We wanted the TV games, there was a huge market for the TV games, there was huge money for the SEC in TV games....... and it wasn't the game Otis from Ooltewah built anymore.

It's now the game Mr Iger controls from CA. The SEC sold it a few years ago out from under Otis.
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I'm well aware the SEC sold itself off. And I'm well aware TV made it rich, but the schools didn't have to go this route. But they did, and here we are.

And it's very clear just how little anyone cares about "Otis from Ooltewah" anymore. Maybe ESPN was right. Maybe it's good to get some distance between our glorious product and all that digusting "trailer park trash."
 
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Voltopia said:
I'm well aware the SEC sold itself off. And I'm well aware TV made it rich, but the schools didn't have to go this route. But they did, and here we are.

And it's very clear just how little anyone cares about "Otis from Ooltewah" anymore. Maybe ESPN was right. Maybe it's good to get some distance between our glorious product and all that digusting "trailer park trash."
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Otis never cared how the sausage was made. He just wants to have a good time watching football. He has survived the forward pass, integration, targeting and a million other things that were going to kill the game. He'll survive this too.
 
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Voltopia said:
I'm well aware the SEC sold itself off. And I'm well aware TV made it rich, but the schools didn't have to go this route. But they did, and here we are.

And it's very clear just how little anyone cares about "Otis from Ooltewah" anymore. Maybe ESPN was right. Maybe it's good to get some distance between our glorious product and all that digusting "trailer park trash."
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My issue in this is people drag the players about what's happened when these kids are navigating the rules they didn't make.

Sure, they're making money and leveraging their skills into money but that's not rules they made and they're just fielding offers.

The schools sold it and the fans, like Otis, WANTED it to be on TV and sold. We did. Let's drop dragging the kids and perhaps I, as an old Otis, should admit that I helped create this, not the current players.
 
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Voltopia said:
Disagree with your disagree.

I don't mean the rednecks who call in to that clown show, I mean the folks and families who have had generational relationships with southern football. They didn't build all those giant SEC stadiums for sidewalk fans.

Or put differently, Tennessee's attendance barely dipped over the past 15 years, even though it was the worst 15 years in the history of the program. Why is that? What kept people coming, even in the face of a terrible product? I assert it's because, at least in part, of the century of relationship between Tennessee and its "Otises from Oooltewah." It's something that was built over time, slowly, surely.

Scorn them and dismiss them all you want.
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The Otises from Ooltewah of the world developed relations with UT's football team because they put a good product on the field. Otherwise Otis would just be a fan of UTC, Maryville College, MTSU, Sewanee, Tennessee Tech, or some other program that was physically closer.
 
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