This describes what has happened to college football perfectly.

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turbovol said:
Coaches and broadcasters are employees---real employees--in the private market. Student-athletes are not, no matter how much some try to claim that they are. They are STUDENTS--college students. Broadcasters and coaches are not students.

Now, if you want to assert that coaches are absurdly overpaid, and that they get extensions too easily, often without really proving much, and that the buyouts are ridiculous, well, I wouldn't argue with you there.
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what about being a student removes them from the private market? You are ignoring the schools making money too, seems like if anything should be considered out of the private market, and thus unable to make money on its own brand, would be the vast majority of Public Schools that make up the NCAA.

normal students aren't considered outside of the private market. they can go an make money off of their name, image, and likeness, and the work they do, even if its part of the "school" work. being a student doesn't do anything legally or morally to remove one from the realm of private ownership of your own self and work.
 
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LouderVol said:
what about being a student removes them from the private market? You are ignoring the schools making money too, seems like if anything should be considered out of the private market, and thus unable to make money on its own brand, would be the vast majority of Public Schools that make up the NCAA.

normal students aren't considered outside of the private market. they can go an make money off of their name, image, and likeness, and the work they do, even if its part of the "school" work. being a student doesn't do anything legally or morally to remove one from the realm of private ownership of your own self and work.
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People just don’t seem to be able to take a step back and realize how absurd some of these statements are about restricting people’s ability to make money. Amazing how socialist our attitudes get as long as we’re being entertained.
 
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turbovol said:
Coaches and broadcasters are employees---real employees--in the private market. Student-athletes are not, no matter how much some try to claim that they are. They are STUDENTS--college students. Broadcasters and coaches are not students.

Now, if you want to assert that coaches are absurdly overpaid, and that they get extensions too easily, often without really proving much, and that the buyouts are ridiculous, well, I wouldn't argue with you there.
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Exactly. This point is ALWAYS omitted is this discussion. As we’ve discussed over and over…constitutionally it’s on solid ground BUT clearly it will create unintended effects.
 
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fossilfiction said:
How will it stop college football from being played?
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May not stop it from being played but a few folks like me are losing interest in it, just like MLB did to their game years ago. Integrity and commitment have little to no presence in college athletics at this juncture.
 
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volfanhill said:
So you miss the entire point? The SC didn't rule they get nothing. They ruled that they have a right to their Name, Image, and Likeness.How on earth can you be against that?
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Beacuse fans are entitled and can‘t handle losing any perceived lack of control they never really had.

And if some of these fans are honest, they don’t like the idea of 19 year-old kids taking part in that thing called capitalism…for a variety of reasons.
 
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utvolpj said:
The first one is a very old joke and the second one is irrelevant to the situation.
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Exactly… I remember players from 60s-80s joke that they took a pay CUT going pro.

All NIL has done is put it above the table.

Now the transfer portal combined with NIL has thrown a new wrinkle into it but I think it will work itself out in the long run. The big schools we all watch and enjoy will be fine. I think it will hurt smaller schools when their best players keep getting poached.
 
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utchs81 said:
May not stop it from being played but a few folks like me are losing interest in it, just like MLB did to their game years ago. Integrity and commitment have little to no presence in college athletics at this juncture.
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Personally I don’t watch much outside of the TN game like I used to 10-15 years ago. I do look at scores on my phone though. So not like I’m totally tuned out.

However, TV ratings would indicate the overall audience is just as strong as ever.
 
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BenGrimm said:
The big schools we all watch and enjoy will be fine. I think it will hurt smaller schools when their best players keep getting poached.
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It’s going to be interesting to see who is hurt worse - middle of the road schools losing guys to winners or winners losing depth pieces to lower level P5, G5 and FCS schools willing to pay for talent. I think as everybody figures out their collectives, things will even out.

What’s clear though is that the NCAA is going to have to figure out a way to allow schools to funnel money directly to players in order to regain a little control from the donors.
 
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I just don’t understand people who feel like room and board, classes, meals, training should be enough. I get this regressive logic comes from an outdated mindset, but it’s nonsense. By the same logic of a lot on here, people should be happy to drive to work for just the benefits and no pay…just not smart.
 
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Butch s said:
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glad to be signed?? I’m telling you this is going to destroy college football
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I definitely noticed that language when I saw it. Interesting that players now see themselves on a year to year contract instead of the implicit 4 year stay. The truth is that it has always been year to year but now, with the transfer portal, their are many more options.

In many ways, I believe it is the transfer portal that is having the most impact on the changing nature of player loyalty and less so the NIL.

You may decide to make a commitment because of NIL money but if it is easy to leave to another higher bidder (or you dont work out so well) then it engenders no real deep loyalty.

Its like a no-fault divorce system. Perfectly reflects our society now.

Once the contraception pill and abortion eliminated the natural result of hooking up, couples who hooked up had less reason to stay with each other if they faced pressure in the relationship, irrespective of their reasons for entering it in the first place. With this lower friction cost to move on, is it any wonder divorce became more commonplace?

So it is with college sports.
 
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Gandalf said:
I definitely noticed that language when I saw it. Interesting that players now see themselves on a year to year contract instead of the implicit 4 year stay. The truth is that it has always been year to year but now, with the transfer portal, their are many more options.

In many ways, I believe it is the transfer portal that is having the most impact on the changing nature of player loyalty and less so the NIL.

You may decide to make a commitment because of NIL money but if it is easy to leave to another higher bidder (or you dont work out so well) then it engenders no real deep loyalty.

Its like a no-fault divorce system. Perfectly reflects our society now.

Once the contraception pill and abortion eliminated the natural result of hooking up, couples who hooked up had less reason to stay with each other if they faced pressure in the relationship, irrespective of their reasons for entering it in the first place. With this lower friction cost to move on, is it any wonder divorce became more commonplace?

So it is with college sports.
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Divorce became more common place in large part because women finally got access to things that would allow them to leave. No longer needing a man to have a bank account. Careers opening up to women more and no longer needing a man to have an income. Women no longer forced to be with a man that mistreats them just so they can live.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Divorce became more common place in large part because women finally got access to things that would allow them to leave. No longer needing a man to have a bank account. Careers opening up to women more and no longer needing a man to have an income. Women no longer forced to be with a man that mistreats them just so they can live.
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Agreed - that too. Bottom line, is if friction is low to be able to leave, people are much less likely to stick it out when things arent ideal and thus will always be tempted to have an eye elsewhere.

NIL with the portal is like hiring a coach for crazy money without a buyout. That is how you get Kiffins. Its not the money to enter the deal that kills the culture of loyalty IMO, its the ability to leave the deal too easily and without consequences.
 
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etsuvol13 said:
I just don’t understand people who feel like room and board, classes, meals, training should be enough. I get this regressive logic comes from an outdated mindset, but it’s nonsense. By the same logic of a lot on here, people should be happy to drive to work for just the benefits and no pay…just not smart.
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Like you said . . . just a dated mindset that doesn't acknowledge the absurd amount of money the schools make vs. what is effectively their labor cost. It amazes me that it has taken this long for: A) The players to get some leverage; and B) The NCAA and its schools chose to just ride the old model as long as they could rather than getting out in front of this chaos.
 
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volfeeva said:
if you think it's fun seeing all the bowl games that used to mean something now be meaningless
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The only bowl games that ever meant anything 30+ years ago were the ones that had the two teams that were in contention for a NC. Normally 2, maybe 3 bowl games if there was a 3rd team. That's it. Everything else was exhibition just like today. Now there's a playoff with a bunch of exhibition games.

The Citrus Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Independence Bowl, Gator Bowl, Liberty Bowl, ect were as meaningless then as they are now.
 
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Freiwillige said:
Pro sports are actually better because players sign contracts and commit to play for a team for a contracted time of years. I don't think that pro sports would be nearly as popular if so many players changed teams every year. College transfer rules make it much more difficult for a fan to identify with a player who may be gone next year. Part of the fun of college sports was identifying with the players as they progressed. That is pretty much gone now.
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Just going to be pulling for a jersey in the years to come
 
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TheDeeble said:
The only bowl games that ever meant anything 30+ years ago were the ones that had the two teams that were in contention for a NC. Normally 2, maybe 3 bowl games if there was a 3rd team. That's it. Everything else was exhibition just like today. Now there's a playoff with a bunch of exhibition games.

The Citrus Bowl, Hall of Fame Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Independence Bowl, Gator Bowl, Liberty Bowl, ect were as meaningless then as they are now.
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I vaguely remember a time when I thought it was an honor that my team got into a bowl game. Then . . . sometime in the early 80s I remember we played in something called the Garden State Bowl when I was maybe 10 years old and I can remember thinking "This doesn't feel all that special" lol.
 
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Butch s said:
Just going to be pulling for a jersey in the years to come
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Hopefully, the schools can get together and come up with a model that will slow down the transfer portal so that it never gets quite to that.
 
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