This is why I respect Boise State and Chris Petersen

[hatvol96]

Don't kid yourself. After the bowl matchups were announced, TCU didn't exactly seem thrilled. Don't get me wrong, Boise should have gotten an opportunity against a major conference team, too.

What? Are you insinuating TCU wasn't thrilled that their reward for going undefeated was playing a team they beat in a bowl the previous season? Shocking.

 

[10essee Refugee]

Try and follow the entire post. :yes:

Actually, BSU beat TCU in January. Both teams have retained the bulk of their rosters.

Hawaii wasn't a statement game, nor was Utah, who's beaten no one and was highly ranked by default.

Ok I'm with you so far, neither team has proven much so far. Here's where you lose me:

Your closing statement is a joke. Utah's best win was an OT victory against a mediocre Pittsburgh team. Beating them was a given. Not nearly impressive as beating TCU, Oregon twice, Va Tech, Oklahoma, etc.

When you referenced multiple Boise wins going back to the 2006 season, I assumed you were talking about the teams' marquee wins over the past few years. Therefore I mentioned Utah's win over the one loss SEC runner-up. As impressive (since we're discounting opponent morale) as any of the BSU wins you mentioned.

 

[FREE EARL]

Ok I'm with you so far, neither team has proven much so far. Here's where you lose me:




When you referenced multiple Boise wins going back to the 2006 season, I assumed you were talking about the teams' marquee wins over the past few years. Therefore I mentioned Utah's win over the one loss SEC runner-up. As impressive (since we're discounting opponent morale) as any of the BSU wins you mentioned.

You missed this.

TCU's win yesterday was arguably more impressive than any win Boise's had in this little 5 year run.

Had nothing to do with prior Utah teams. He claimed TCU's win against YESTERDAY'S TCU team was better than any of BSU's wins over the past 5 years.

 

[tvols75]

Would be ridiculous if it is TCU vs. Oregon in the national championship game, and Boise is left out. All 3 teams return virtually everyone and the team that beat both of them last year would be left out.

 

[JokermanVol]

I just hope that with whatever outcome it is it leads us further to a playoff.

 

[TennesseeFan07]

I respect both programs. Boise State passes each challenge it's given. That said, Gary Patterson has to be the most underated defensive guru in all of football.

 

[cotton]

Your closing statement is a joke. Utah's best win was an OT victory against a mediocre Pittsburgh team. Beating them was a given. Not nearly impressive as beating TCU, Oregon twice, Va Tech, Oklahoma, etc.

How many of those were this season? Are you really putting that much stock in a win against a team that also lost to 1-AA James Madison?

The problem with anointing the mid-majors as elite is, in my opinion, pretty simple. Give South Carolina BSU's schedule, or TCU's, or Utah's, and there is a pretty good chance that they would be sitting undefeated at this point in the season as well. South Carolina isn't elite.

Are the mid-majors that good? Maybe. But when it comes down to deciding whether an undefeated small conference team whose best win is against a middle of the pack PAC-10 school or a 1 loss team from a power conference with 5 or 6 equal or better wins is more deserving, the big boys have been getting the benefit of the doubt. I think that's proper.

 

[JTrainDavis]

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[rjd970]

Only in terms of media love. The fact that people are even asking if beating Hawaii is a statement game shows how ridiculous this is. TCU's win yesterday was arguably more impressive than any win Boise's had in this little 5 year run.

This statement is pure stupidity. The two BCS bowl wins, one over Oklahoma, doesn't count? Give me a break.

 

[rjd970]

How many of those were this season? Are you really putting that much stock in a win against a team that also lost to 1-AA James Madison?

The problem with anointing the mid-majors as elite is, in my opinion, pretty simple. Give South Carolina BSU's schedule, or TCU's, or Utah's, and there is a pretty good chance that they would be sitting undefeated at this point in the season as well. South Carolina isn't elite.

Are the mid-majors that good? Maybe. But when it comes down to deciding whether an undefeated small conference team whose best win is against a middle of the pack PAC-10 school or a 1 loss team from a power conference with 5 or 6 equal or better wins is more deserving, the big boys have been getting the benefit of the doubt. I think that's proper.

Since we are talking hypotheticals that nobody could possibly prove, give BSU a shot at it and they could beat Oregon this year. They did last year.

Or wait, I have one even better...put BSU in the ACC and they go undefeated.

See how stupid this is?

 

[KingNick865]

Boise > TCU

No.

 

[tvolsfan]

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They both suck. In fact, the ACC is probably better. That doesn't make mean Boise State's win over VT is suddenly much more impressive than Utah's win over Pitt.

 

[IPorange]

They both suck. In fact, the ACC is probably better. That doesn't make mean Boise State's win over VT is suddenly much more impressive than Utah's win over Pitt.

I never made the case that was more impressive. I have made the case that arguing that TCU has proven more THIS YEAR than BSU isn't logically possible.

 

[tvolsfan]

This statement is pure stupidity. The two BCS bowl wins, one over Oklahoma, doesn't count? Give me a break.

I'd say beating Utah 47-7 on the road is arguably more impressive than beating an Oklahoma team by jumping out to a big league, blowing it in about 8 minutes, and winning with a bunch of trick plays.

 

[tvolsfan]

I never made the case that was more impressive. I have made the case that arguing that TCU has proven more THIS YEAR than BSU isn't logically possible.

Why wouldn't it be? The MWC is much better than the WAC, and the best team Boise has beaten lost to James Madison.

 

[IPorange]

Why wouldn't it be? The MWC is much better than the WAC, and the best team Boise has beaten lost to James Madison.

And has also beaten everyone else on their schedule. It's an obvious fallacy to reduce each team to the worst opponent that they have lost to.


Who is TCU's Virginia Tech (BCS conference team likely to win their conference)?

Why did Boise State beat a common BCS opponent, Oregon State, by a larger margin than TCU?

Like I said, there really isn't a logical way to argue FOR TCU over Boise State. They're pretty damn equal on paper, with Boise State getting the slight nod.

 

[rjd970]

I'd say beating Utah 47-7 on the road is arguably more impressive than beating an Oklahoma team by jumping out to a big league, blowing it in about 8 minutes, and winning with a bunch of trick plays.

You're right. Let's put TCU in the national championship.

 

[tvolsfan]

This statement is pure stupidity. The two BCS bowl wins, one over Oklahoma, doesn't count? Give me a break.

Post the 2002 season, Oklahoma is 0-5 in BCS bowls, and Utah is 2-0. No, I don't think Utah is a better team/program than Oklahoma, and I really do think highly of Bob Stoops in spite of recent BCS struggles, but pulling out a 1 point overtime win isn't necessarily more impressive than a 40 point win.

I'll be the first to admit that Utah's BCS wins aren't a sign of their excellence. Their first one was against a mediocre Pitt team, and their second one was against a Bama team who I doubt was very excited about their matchup after missing out on the national championship. I just think TCU's win yesterday was pretty impressive. Not saying they have proven themselves as a power while Boise hasn't proven anything. I just think TCU is a better team than Boise, and that I would take Gary Patterson over Chris Petersen. Petersen hasn't proven to be a terrible coach or anything like that, but comparing their bodies of work, I'd feel much more comfortable going after Patterson to coach my team.

 

[IPorange]

How is it that it is a knock on Boise State that they aren't a BCS conference team, but TCU's victory over non-BCS Utah, who is no more prestigious than the supposedly lowly Boise State, is so damn impressive?

TCU and Boise State have nearly identical resumes.

 

[rjd970]

57-4 is ridiculous. At that rate, Peterson will reach 100 wins before he reaches 10 losses.

Schedule or not, weak conference or not, Boise has done everything within its power. Name one thing they have not done that they have had control over.

If there is not anyway for them to win a championship, then why not call Div 1 football every team in a BCS conference and call everyone else 1-aab.

 

[rjd970]

Post the 2002 season, Oklahoma is 0-5 in BCS bowls, and Utah is 2-0. No, I don't think Utah is a better team/program than Oklahoma, and I really do think highly of Bob Stoops in spite of recent BCS struggles, but pulling out a 1 point overtime win isn't necessarily more impressive than a 40 point win.

I'll be the first to admit that Utah's BCS wins aren't a sign of their excellence. Their first one was against a mediocre Pitt team, and their second one was against a Bama team who I doubt was very excited about their matchup after missing out on the national championship. I just think TCU's win yesterday was pretty impressive. Not saying they have proven themselves as a power while Boise hasn't proven anything. I just think TCU is a better team than Boise, and that I would take Gary Patterson over Chris Petersen. Petersen hasn't proven to be a terrible coach or anything like that, but comparing their bodies of work, I'd feel much more comfortable going after Patterson to coach my team.

I honestly don't care either way when it comes to TCU and Boise. I just think one of them deserves a shot at the big dance. If they get destroyed, so be it.

As far as TCU victory over Utah, ehh whatever. TCU hasn't done anything Boise hasn't done.

 

[tvolsfan]

And has also beaten everyone else on their schedule. It's an obvious fallacy to reduce each team to the worst opponent that they have lost to.

Who is the best team they have beaten? Serious question, I haven't looked it up. I do know they're record against the top teams in the country has been unbelievably terrible, and I think their only win came against a team starting Brock Berlin at quarterback and coached by Larry Coker.

Who is TCU's Virginia Tech (BCS conference team likely to win their conference)?

No one, but I'm not really sure that's a strong argument for Boise, anyways. Utah has one of those wins, and TCU had no trouble with them.

Why did Boise State beat a common BCS opponent, Oregon State, by a larger margin than TCU?

It was 4 points. Both teams won by two scores, anyways.

Like I said, there really isn't a logical way to argue FOR TCU over Boise State. They're pretty damn equal on paper, with Boise State getting the slight nod.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see a reason to believe scraping by VT at the end of the game is more impressive than massacring Utah.

 

[tvolsfan]

How is it that it is a knock on Boise State that they aren't a BCS conference team, but TCU's victory over non-BCS Utah, who is no more prestigious than the supposedly lowly Boise State, is so damn impressive?

I'm not arguing Utah is good enough to win the national title, I'm just saying beating Utah may be more impressive than anything Boise has done.

TCU and Boise State have nearly identical resumes.

They're similar. I just think TCU is a better team.

 

[cotton]

Since we are talking hypotheticals that nobody could possibly prove, give BSU a shot at it and they could beat Oregon this year. They did last year.

Or wait, I have one even better...put BSU in the ACC and they go undefeated.

See how stupid this is?

1. Going undefeated in the ACC would be more difficult that going undefeated against their current schedule, not that that says much.

2. I'm not sure a pretend undefeated ACC team is a lock for the NCG for exactly the same issues as BSU.

3. Yes, I am beginning to recognize the stupidity. The secret to college football dominance should be to play in conference USA and then try to beat one quality opponent in a year in addition to the one decent squad from the beginning of the season. The stupidity is certainly in there somewhere.

I haven't criticized Boise once. They've done a good job in putting a football team full of nonames in the middle of nowhere on the map. But when you try to compare them to major programs in major conferences, you run into a lot of problems because of their powder puff schedule. That's a fact, and it will remain so until 1) they either decide to join the ranks of BCS conference programs, or 2) CFB institutes a playoff.

 

[rjd970]

1. Going undefeated in the ACC would be more difficult that going undefeated against their current schedule, not that that says much.

2. I'm not sure a pretend undefeated ACC team is a lock for the NCG for exactly the same issues as BSU.

3. Yes, I am beginning to recognize the stupidity. The secret to college football dominance should be to play in conference USA and then try to beat one quality opponent in a year in addition to the one decent squad from the beginning of the season. The stupidity is certainly in there somewhere.

I haven't criticized Boise once. They've done a good job in putting a football team full of nonames in the middle of nowhere on the map. But when you try to compare them to major programs in major conferences, you run into a lot of problems because of their powder puff schedule. That's a fact, and it will remain so until 1) they either decide to join the ranks of BCS conference programs, or 2) CFB institutes a playoff.

See, this is what I don't understand about all this "BSU sucks until they play anybody" argument. Who says this is completely their decision? Name one conference that has come up and said "We want Boise in our family". It is absurd to think Boise can just say that they want to play in the PAC 10 and then it is so.

Again, name one thing Boise has complete control over that they haven't done yet.