This one is on Barnes

#126
#126
Barnes said in postgame interview that if any player has a 100 percent shot take it. He did not tell Phillips not to take the shot. Gave over if Phillips takes that shot and maybe a free throw.
Vandy players coming onto the floor before the three went in thus a technical should have been called.
 
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#127
While Barnes is raising his arms explaining JP should have dunked and as JP brings the ball out and is fouled, Key is under the basket happily pumping his fist (as if the no-dunk was appropriate and/or that the game was sealed).

Looks to me as though at least 2/5 Players are thinking differently than Coach (unless JP immed knew he should have dunked, since he also shook his head right after the foul whistle).
 
#128
#128
Barnes had 10 turnovers,missed free throws, missed lay ups, bad passes, lost on defence, and caused Candy to shoot out their asses.
 
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cncchris33 said:
You really want these 5* kids coddled in February of their freshman year, don't you? That's pathetic if you think that a guy who's played as much basketball as Julian Phillips, a high-level D1 player, has to be told so explicitly how to play the game.

Take the thinking out of it, and then in that instance, isn't the most natural reaction to score? It seems like it would take more analytical thinking to decide it was in your team's best interest not to score.

Why should the coach have to say, "Now Julian, we are running a play designed to get you the ball with a free run at the rim. So here's what I want you to do...and stick with me for a second...I need you to put the round ball thru the round cylinder. And you know...we get two points for that. You think you got it? Now remember, I want you to score, ok!"

Give me a break.
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Well thanks for proving my point. Obviously, a coach cannot take for granted that these kids automatically know what to do. Break given.
 
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#132
The bottom line is that the COACHES are responsible for making sure that kids know what to do in certain situations. If the player knew what to do and didn't do it... bench his ass for good or make him run until he pukes his guts out.
 
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No way in hell that play was drawn up for Phillips to shoot. He started jogging around the free throw line so he would get fouled. There's not a little leaguer to an NBA player on earth that wouldn't have taken that shot unless he was told not to.

Go back a little further to 19 secs left in the game and Zeigler had a one on one layup he didn't take. The Vandy defender ran out of juice and ZZ could have easily went around him and laid it in, but he ran it back to half court to draw the foul.

And ya'll think both players just decided to NOT take very high percentage shots that would have put the game out of reach. Give me a break.
 
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jeff1vol said:
The bottom line is that the COACHES are responsible for making sure that kids know what to do in certain situations. If the player knew what to do and didn't do it... bench his ass for good or make him run until he pukes his guts out.
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So a kid makes a mistake and you want Barnes to go all Junction Boys on him? Yeah, that would work just fine in today's climate considering the portal is here to stay. Gotta be a real boost in recruiting, too. Kids today love that style of coaching.
 
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VOLSBEERS1992 said:
Haha who ever said Phillips is NBA ready? I sure didn’t. But it doesn’t shock me Barnes is throwing his own players under the bus when all they are trying to do is fit into his iron fist regime.
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It doesn't shock me that people like you are taking a clear screw up by a player that should know better into bashing Barnes.
 
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Bottom line is an 18 year old has to be coached to understand situational basketball. That's why a lot of coaches don't want freshmen on the floor at crunch time. Barnes put a freshman on the floor at crunch time who does not understand situational basketball. This one is on him.
 
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VFL_Hammer said:
No way in hell that play was drawn up for Phillips to shoot. He started jogging around the free throw line so he would get fouled. There's not a little leaguer to an NBA player on earth that wouldn't have taken that shot unless he was told not to.

Go back a little further to 19 secs left in the game and Zeigler had a one on one layup he didn't take. The Vandy defender ran out of juice and ZZ could have easily went around him and laid it in, but he ran it back to half court to draw the foul.

And ya'll think both players just decided to NOT take very high percentage shots that would have put the game out of reach. Give me a break.
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Holy s*** some of you are either just so blinded by Barnes hate that you convince yourself of this crap, or you're just plain not very smart.

ZZ didn't take the shot because he already missed a gimmie and was too scared to take the shot. You're out of your freakin mind if you actually think Barnes told them to pass up easy shots. If they can't make them or decide to not go for it, then that's on them.

My God.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
Bottom line is an 18 year old has to be coached to understand situational basketball. That's why a lot of coaches don't want freshmen on the floor at crunch time. Barnes put a freshman on the floor at crunch time who does not understand situational basketball. This one is on him.
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I'm going to say this for about the 15th time....if Barnes has to outright tell a 5 star NBA prospect that in that situation to dunk it, then it's on the player.

This is has become comical that stupid takes on this forum.
 
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JBD_Vol said:
Some say it is on a player, but why was Tennessee anywhere close to the commode doors regarding score? Because it's basketball? Stuff happens dude.

Why is the supposedly number 6 team in the country playing close games with teams with which it should not be anywhere near playing close games? See above.

Some will say it happens, but does it happen so consistently with very good to great teams? Yes. Every team in the league has had losses like this.

Why is it always the players when one did not perform at the end and the coach evidently pointed out to him and thus, the rest of the world? Where was the coaching many times this season when 3 pointers would not go down? This is a silly argument. Sure, you can scheme some inside looks - which he clearly does. But you can't completely disregard shots at range. And fwiw, we just beat Auburn on a night when nothing dropped.

If it is lack of inside players, why can the right inside players not be brought in? This is a great staff correct? I mean..... BHH, Aidoo, Awaka, Estrella next year.... His post recruiting seems fine.


Maybe it is just a good way to make money until retirement and hey, it's better than any other coach we had except one, but we're not North Carolina so I guess we should just suck it up. We're a good team. Maybe even great at times..... But we're not so dominant that we shouldn't expect tough nights from time to time. The fact that we're having this conversation says everything you need to know about where Barnes has taken this program.
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jeff1vol said:
Well thanks for proving my point. Obviously, a coach cannot take for granted that these kids automatically know what to do. Break given.
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I'm not doing anything to advance your point. You're just blind to the fact that when you draw up a play to get a player a free run at the basket, the object is ALWAYS to score.

Your logic is entirely flawed and akin to it being necessary for a football coach to tell his WR he needs to catch the football on a last second hail mary rather than bat it down to the ground.
 
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Volinnooga said:
where are Donnie Tindall and Cuonzo Martin when we need them?
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We certainly do not want either one of them. We want a coach who expects performance from himself and the team ALL the time.

It is my opinion that our football coach is that way, which shows that you can do that without having to have the personality of a saban to be excellent at what you do.

There will be letdowns like with South Carolina, which are very disappointing and in that case plain stupid, but that does not happen very often with great attitude and knowledge from the top and sometimes you go through an entire season performing great, and you win it all.

In basketball, you have a little more leeway to still be able to go all the way, but you still need to have excellent coaching constantly, which helps make good players and great players the best they can be.
 
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If there was ANY argument for running out the clock over taking the dunk then it should’ve been addressed before inbounding. There are scenarios where it could’ve benefited Vandy in the end by him taking the dunk. They are far lower % than missing a front end of a 1 and 1 and hitting the game winning three, however.

And with Phillips hesitation there obviously was. Even the announcer at the time called it “smart”. It’s a bad faith argument to state Barnes always wants them to take 100% shots as if he passed up a wide open dunk with 12 minutes to go in the game.

We see athletes make bad decisions on late game clock situations quite a bit, so yes, it is worth mentioning to your players even if it is the obvious play.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not doing anything to advance your point. You're just blind to the fact that when you draw up a play to get a player a free run at the basket, the object is ALWAYS to score.

Your logic is entirely flawed and akin to it being necessary for a football coach to tell his WR he needs to catch the football on a last second hail mary rather than bat it down to the ground.
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There is strategy to not taking the basket at the end and running the clock. It is bad strategy, but strategy. There is not any logic in your analogy. Phillips overthought it, and yes to some degree that reflects coaching and coaching style. We play with some real indecisiveness quite often on offense
 
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cncchris33 said:
How do you not know it, though? That had to be discussed in the huddle of multiple time outs and how dire the foul situation was for Vandy. No way he didn't know.
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Plus, I’d rather have the 2 points and keep the clock running to make it a 4 pt lead with 8 and ticking. Phillips could have sealed it there.
 
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