This show-cause is great for Pearl.

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Shaun1985 said:
Did it ever occur to the Bruce lovers that maybe you should give Martin a chance to actually fail before claiming Pearl king of Knoxville again? I'm glad for what he's done for UT but it's over. :thumbsup:
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Please. They're Bruce Pearl fans. Not UT.
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NYYVol said:
Whining to the press and continuing along with the same lying lifestyle is hardly moving on.
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I didn't say, nor did I infer that he was moving on and I won't pretend that I have any control over his actions. I said that I am choosing to move on and let him do the same. In other words, I am willing to let him move on if it is of his choosing rather than re-hash his every misdeed and focus my full attention on what he deserves or doesn't deserve. Whether he does so, or not, is his prerogative and affects neither you or I in any way.
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#53
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Shaun1985 said:
Did it ever occur to the Bruce lovers that maybe you should give Martin a chance to actually fail before claiming Pearl king of Knoxville again? I'm glad for what he's done for UT but it's over. :thumbsup:
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Well put.
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cncchris33 said:
I didn't say, nor did I infer that he was moving on and I won't pretend that I have any control over his actions. I said that I am choosing to move on and let him do the same. In other words, I am willing to let him move on if it is of his choosing rather than re-hash his every misdeed and focus my full attention on what he deserves or doesn't deserve. Whether he does so, or not, is his prerogative and affects neither you or I in any way.
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His punishment made the news. Hence it was rehashed.
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Akneal said:
He was only the best basketball coach we ever had.
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Not so fast. I would say both Ray Mears and Don DeVoe were at least the equals of Bruce and probably better. The best teams UT EVER fielded were under Mears. The best players UT EVER fielded were under Mears
 
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NYYVol said:
Silly talk. Just take it up with your Maker.
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No it's not silly at all. This is a gray world. I know plenty of people that have cheated on their spouses that are very trustworthy otherwise. It's not a black and white issue as you suggest. It's defnitely gray. Things just aren't that simple, regardless of how you stack it.
 
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BelAirVol said:
Not so fast. I would say both Ray Mears and Don DeVoe were at least the equals of Bruce and probably better. The best teams UT EVER fielded were under Mears. The best players UT EVER fielded were under Mears
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In before someone tells me how the NCAA tourney used to work.
 
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BelAirVol said:
No it's not silly at all. This is a gray world. I know plenty of people that have cheated on their spouses that are very trustworthy otherwise. It's not a black and white issue as you suggest. It's defnitely gray. Things just aren't that simple, regardless of how you stack it.
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It's black and white when a pattern is established. Anyone that knows Bruce will tell you that there is a blatant pattern of dishonesty in every phase of his life.
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NYYVol said:
His punishment made the news. Hence it was rehashed.
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You'll never convince me that your personal crusade against Pearl within this particular thread is simply a product of discussing current events. The original intent of this thread and your personal involvement with it has been for the sole purpose of airing his dirty laundry across the board...again. Let it go. There are too many in this forum with an unhealthy obsession to see Bruce Pearl irreparably suffer.

I think I have gone far enough out of my way to make it clear that while I was a Bruce Pearl fan, I also recognize that he made some major mistakes, both as a coach and as a person. So, I think I stand somewhere in between those who bury their head in the sand and overlook his deficiencies and people like yourself, who are quick to dismiss any net positive that he contributed to Tennessee basketball in the name of furthering your personal agenda of hatred.

With that said, I find it ironic that you call the Pearl-defenders, "Bruce Pearl fans" rather than Tennessee fans, suggesting that their loyalty lies more with Pearl than the university. You certainly seem to focus the majority of your attention on this board to running him down moreso than discussing the future of our basketball program. Does that make you a bigger fan of running him into the ground than Tennessee basketball?
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cncchris33 said:
I can roll with the notion that someone who cheats in their personal life is more likely to cheat in their professional life when the going gets tough, but as someone said before, people are not always black and white. So, while it turned out to be the case with Pearl, it isn't always true. Therefore I wasn't ready to judge him as a cheater within his profession until I had proof of such, based simply on the fact that he was unfaithful in marriage.

As a promoter, he brought Tennessee basketball to heights never seen. He did the same as a coach, and I liked Pearl as a floor coach 90% of the time. As a recruiter and talent evaluator, I do think he lost sight of the type of players that made his teams successful, and fell victim to obssessing over "athleticism" versus players with basketball skill, which we saw play out on the court this past season among the distractions. There was plenty of atheticism to go around but very little discernable basketball skill.

His personal affairs at home had no direct effect on his ability to do his job, though it could be argued that the general neglect of his vows indirectly carried over into his professional affairs.

What rubs me the wrong way are comments like those from the original poster. Childish comments about barbecues, his personal life, his tan, etc. are all comments that have no substance in the grand scheme of things and are only used as "filler" to run him further through the mud without really getting into the heart of what made him good or bad as the basketball coach at Tennessee.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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Spot f'n on especially the bold part.

There are a certain group of posters who make it their mission in life to run Pearl in the ground. They don't talk basketball, they just say the same infantile crap over and over and over again. Hat makes a response and they eat it up and file lock step with him like his minions. You can see it coming every time.

Yet, if anyone dares to have an opinion outside of their narrow own, it's because they're a Pearl lover or some other nonsensical bullsh*t when it doesn't even have anything to do with Pearl.

What some of these people say on here, they wouldn't have the balls to say it to someone's face because they have no backbone. They can sit and hide behind their screen and throw out insults and half truths about people all day long. Then they get offended when they're called kids. I guess the truth obviously hurts.
 
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BelAirVol said:
No it's not silly at all. This is a gray world. I know plenty of people that have cheated on their spouses that are very trustworthy otherwise. It's not a black and white issue as you suggest. It's defnitely gray. Things just aren't that simple, regardless of how you stack it.
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Oh, that's just nonsense. Can't you see that if you cheat on your husband or wife then you are obviously not fit for the job you do?
 
#63
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Shaun1985 said:
Did it ever occur to the Bruce lovers that maybe you should give Martin a chance to actually fail before claiming Pearl king of Knoxville again? I'm glad for what he's done for UT but it's over. :thumbsup:
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Did it ever occur that not everyone who decides to have a differing opinion isn't a Pearl lover? Maybe they're just tired of the same childish tripe that comes out of the same posters every single time?
 
#64
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NYYVol said:
Please. They're Bruce Pearl fans. Not UT.
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I liked Pearl. He was a good coach regardless of what anyone else says in this forum. I've seen too much basketball to not be able to recognize a good coach when I see it. That being said, Pearl screwed up and deserved to be terminated. Plain and simple. I am a UT fan first and foremost. Because I liked Pearl doesn't make me a "Pearl" fan. He's a good coach who won't be idle for long
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Did it ever occur that not everyone who decides to have a differing opinion isn't a Pearl lover? Maybe they're just tired of the same childish tripe that comes out of the same posters every single time?
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Fail. I don't bash Pearl and never have. It is what it is. He's gone and people need to move on. Anyone that would even consider Bruce Pearl as UT's coach in ANY future either don't give two craps about this university or are totally clueless. You think people laugh at UT now, they'd have a field day then. What most of the Pearl lovers (or excuse me) uninformed folks need to realize is a show cause penalty don't only last for 3 years (or however long the sentence is), it's with them for life. It will be forever stapled to his forehead and he will never be relevant again in the coaching world at this level. Do you even realize the mess he left the university in? I've been pro Pearl since he came but he messed up, we cut ties, and the fans need to do the same. His character and integrity is compltely destroyed and he has zero respect from his peers or followers with an ounce of knowledge to this game. I sure don't want someone like that representing my university. Instead of waiting for Martins failure, why not at least give the man a chance?? Maybe he coaches circles around Pearl. But I understand. Let's hire the man back. Afterall, he loves UT! (pay me millions of dollars and I'd love you too)
 
#66
#66
Anyone know by chance what his press conference is about? I'm in class and can't get an update!
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#67
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volgal15 said:
Anyone know by chance what his press conference is about? I'm in class and can't get an update!
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I think it is just his response to the penalties and perhaps to the university brass' handling of the situation. He had effectively been gag ordered before and may still be.

Ironically, he is serving barbecue to the media in attendance.
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#68
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cncchris33 said:
I think it is just his response to the penalties and perhaps to the university brass' handling of the situation. He had effectively been gag ordered before and may still be.

Ironically, he is serving barbecue to the media in attendance.
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Thanks!!
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#69
#69
Shaun1985 said:
Fail. I don't bash Pearl and never have. It is what it is. He's gone and people need to move on. Anyone that would even consider Bruce Pearl as UT's coach in ANY future either don't give two craps about this university or are totally clueless. You think people laugh at UT now, they'd have a field day then. What most of the Pearl lovers (or excuse me) uninformed folks need to realize is a show cause penalty don't only last for 3 years (or however long the sentence is), it's with them for life. It will be forever stapled to his forehead and he will never be relevant again in the coaching world at this level. Do you even realize the mess he left the university in? I've been pro Pearl since he came but he messed up, we cut ties, and the fans need to do the same. His character and integrity is compltely destroyed and he has zero respect from his peers or followers with an ounce of knowledge to this game. I sure don't want someone like that representing my university. Instead of waiting for Martins failure, why not at least give the man a chance?? Maybe he coaches circles around Pearl. But I understand. Let's hire the man back. Afterall, he loves UT! (pay me millions of dollars and I'd love you too)
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Who said you bashed Pearl? I made a statement to your statement that just because people have differing opinions doesn't mean they are Pearl lovers and when they do offer a differing opinion then the usual suspects show up. I think the majority of the fanbase liked Pearl. He then lost a lot of trust and respect from a number of people when he lied to the NCAA.

I don't know why you went off on some tangent about hiring him back. Where did I insinuate that? I've never said that because I know it'll never happen. Also, no one said they were waiting on Martin to fail. I think you've gotten this thread mixed up with another one.
 
#70
#70
NYYVol said:
He was a mediocre coach while being a great promoter. The fact that he was the equivalent of pond scum in both his personal and professional life means something to many of us.

I will guarantee if he didn't wear orange suspenders you would be in the camp of calling him scum as well. The guy is a liar. Plain and simple.
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How exactly does promoting a program make u win games again? He won alot of ballgames against coaches many would call superior. Just ask Billy D if Bruce's promoting made him get owned for 5 years. Was he wrong yes...but the man could coach.
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#71
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jp1 said:
How exactly does promoting a program make u win games again? He won alot of ballgames against coaches many would call superior. Just ask Billy D if Bruce's promoting made him get owned for 5 years. Was he wrong yes...but the man could coach.
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No, that's hogwash. Don't you know that when you beat the two time champion three times out of four then you really were just a great promoter?
 
#73
#73
utvolpj said:
would you trade those 3 wins for 2 national titles?
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Sure I would, but to say that he was just a great promoter is horsesh*t. You don't beat Fla 3 times out 4, Kansas, Pitt and numerous other solid programs by being just a great promoter. Pearl flat out outcoached Donovan head-to-head most of the time with a ton of less talent. Donovan basically had a NBA team and Pearl beat him 3 times out of 4. I'd say some strategy had a little to do with that.
 
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#74
OrangeBalls said:
Sure I would, but to say that he was just a great promoter is horsesh*t. You don't beat Fla 3 times out 4, Kansas, Pitt and numerous other solid programs by being just a great promoter. Pearl flat out outcoached Donovan head-to-head most of the time with a ton of less talent. Donovan basically had a NBA team and Pearl beat him 3 times out of 4. I'd say some strategy had a little to do with that.
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that's great but Billy D still won SEC titles and NCAA titles while Bruce didn't. Regular season losses aren't that big in college basketball
 
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utvolpj said:
that's great but Billy D still won SEC titles and NCAA titles while Bruce didn't. Regular season losses aren't that big in college basketball
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And yet, that still doesn't answer the question if Pearl outcoached Donovan with less talent. Check their head to head record. If I remember correctly, Pearl won a SEC title too. The first outright one since 1967 to be exact.
 
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